October 28, 2005
Danes Arrest Muslims in Terror Plot
(Copenhagen, Denmark) Four male Middle Eastern Muslims, aged 16 to 20, have been arrested in Denmark on suspicion of planning a suicide terror attack in Europe.
From the BBC:
The arrests were linked to a recent inquiry in the Balkans in which arrests were made and large quantities of explosives were found, police said.
No details were given of the intended target of the group's alleged plot.
"We suspect the four young men of being participants in preparation of terrorist acts somewhere in Europe," said police spokesman Joern Bro.
The suspects are closely linked to three men arrested previously in the Balkans for planning an attack on the British or American embassies in Sarajevo. A tipster in an unnamed Balkan nation led to the arrests.
Notably, most of the reporting on this story is referring to the suspected terrorists as 'men.' In my opinion, 16-year-old boys are not men and at least one of the suspects is 16. The thought of having boys running around Europe with terrorism on their minds is frightening. Boys usually can mingle anonymously in society since they are not old enough to have graduated from school, nor to have a work history, nor to have been in the government or military. Typically, there are no photographs nor fingerprints. Spooky.
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Muslims? Involved in a
terror plot? I am shocked sir!
Shocked I say! I'll bet a dollar they were framed by the Joooooos!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 28, 2005 07:36 AM (0yYS2)
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Sixteen is a whole different matter in Europe. Whereas the U.S seems to revolve around the age of eighteen, in Britain I could legally purchase, and smoke cigarettes, leave both school and home,and sex was considered consensual.
Just a little perspective of sixteen europe vs. eighteen American.
Posted by: dave at October 28, 2005 07:51 AM (CcXvt)
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It's not all that suprising really. Look at how many times the IDF has stopped early teen Palistinian terrorist wannabes at checkpoints. With the hatred these guys are fed constantly, the trend is bound to show up elsewhere in the world. I guess we'll hear how the Danes are the guilty ones because they didn't do enough to integrate them, yada, yada, yada.
Posted by: Graeme at October 28, 2005 07:53 AM (3UvA/)
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I noticed the same thing at a muslim wedding I photographed last year. The two families were pretty much all first and second generation Pakistani-Americans, with a few old-country visitors and recent arrivals. The older ones, the original immigrants and the adult or near adult children who were born here, were all pretty much Americanized, especially the girls, who though being dressed in native clothing, weren't at all shy about me photographing them and who sounded just like any girl in any mall across America.
The difference I noticed was in the boys under 21, who were mostly sullen and kept glancing at me and my wife, who were two of the only three white people there, the third being a guy who converted to marry a muslim girl. The looks they gave me were nothing short of suspicious and hostile, and I suspected that they are products of a combination of normal male teenage angst and confusion and a feeling of alienation from the only society they've ever known. They are strangers in their own country, yet it isn't their own country.
I make no excuses for the bad behavior of anyone, and even less so for anyone who has been given every consideration and opportunity in a society that accepts all without judgment, but I do understand how young muslims males can become so easily radicalised. The only viable solution I can see is to strengthen the rules allowing deportation so that when these boys are clearly failing to assimilate, they should be sent home.
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October 27, 2005
Welcome To The Sandcrawler
Everyone, give a warm welcome to Jane from
Armies of Liberation to the Jawa Report staff.
And if any members of the Yemeni Islamofascistpricktocracy care to monitor her here like they do there, bear in mind that she is now even more carefully watched by her Uncle.
And you don't want to mess with Uncle.
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Posted by: jesusland joe at October 28, 2005 04:51 AM (rUyw4)
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hey Joe, thanks.
Abu Vinnie, my US protection detail, thank you! I think its very cute that al-Khaiwani is taking my back in Yemen. The last time this weasel Faris trashed me in the YO, al-Khaiwani called them up and yelled at them. They came crying to me.
Posted by: Jane at October 28, 2005 06:49 AM (6krEN)
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Welcome to the party!
(Don't drink too much)
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Posted by: Howie at October 28, 2005 03:18 PM (D3+20)
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No drinking? I may have to reconsider, oh wait that says no heavy drinking....hmmmm Im thinking.
Posted by: Jane at October 28, 2005 08:21 PM (6krEN)
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Dhimmification Denied
Stein hoist to uber-kafir
Patrick for this:
TAMPA, Fla., Oct. 26 (UPI) -- A Florida school district has decided that students will get no religious holidays from school after a debate over which religion should get the days.
Hillsborough County School Board members approved the 2006-2007 school year calendar with only three holiday days off -- Labor Day, President's Day and Martin Luther King Jr. Day, the Tampa Tribune reports.
Ahmed Bedier of the Council on American-Islamic Relations had hoped for a day off of school for the Muslim holy day of Eid Al-Fitr, which marks the end of Ramadan.
Bishop Chuck Leigh of the Florida Council of Churches said the board made a mistake in not granting the Muslim holiday.
But school board attorney Tom Gonzalez told the board that it was wrong to close the school for any religion.
Students who miss class for a religious holiday will not be penalized.
Wow, I was all set to do a throwdown on this school district, because at first glance it appears that they're inconveniencing everyone just to appease CAIR. Typically, that's how these things tend to work. See: 10 Commandments monuments, et.al.
But then I took a look at my kids calendar for school, where no CAIR member dare to tread, and here are the single day holidays:
Labor Day
Martin Luther King Day
President's Day
Memorial Day
So I thought, hm, they've axed Thanksgiving to appease CAIR, but then I dug out the (PDF alert!) school calendar mentioned in the article, and there it was.
What about Christmas? Still off, because it falls under the politically correctly monikered Winter Break.
So, we can give this school district kudos for telling CAIR to shove it, albeit in an offhand way. All they did was put out a press release saying that they're going to keep the same days off that they did before, but, by adding the religious angle, they get CAIR off of their backs.
There is a dark side to the tale, however. I took a look at the calendar for (PDF alert!) this school year, and compared it to the one for next, and there was a single day holiday eliminated.
Veterans Day. (if you're wondering about Memorial Day, a look at the calendar shows these schools let out before then)
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DId u even read the story? The school, which has a large muslim population, asked the board to recognise Eid, since it recognises christmas and 2 jewish holidays. Fair enough, ud think but this being america, the school decided to rescind ALL religious holidays instead of giving muslim students whats they deserve.
Posted by: Jason at October 28, 2005 05:41 AM (vTwkU)
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Jason, I don't know what story you read, but I read four accounts of this and never once saw any particular school mentioned nor a "large Muslim population" in any one school or the district itself. Sources, please.
Kids and teachers have had Christmas holidays and Easter holidays for many decades. Then they were forced to name them "Winter Break" And "Spring Break" so as not to offend anyone. Now some want to add more holidays to the curriculum. Next, the Wiccans will want something like "Gaia Day" off, or the Buddhists will want their own "New Year's Day" off. The ACLU and other groups have fought long and hard to keep religion out of it and now the Muslims want to add religion back to the mix. Do you think the ACLU will fight it? I doubt it.
CAIR has been trying to get the government to release an actual statement recognizing Islam as "one of the world's great religions" and this is just a backdoor attempt to get it done. Is the ACLU against this? Haven't heard a peep.
It's time to just leave well enough alone. They said no student will be punished for taking their religious holiday off. I think that's enough.
Posted by: Oyster at October 28, 2005 06:26 AM (YudAC)
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Of course I read the story, but you apparently didn't read the post.
Like Oyster said, if come in and make these assertions, you need to provide some links.
Posted by: Vinnie at October 28, 2005 06:55 AM (Kr6/f)
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Jason, the only think 'slamotards "deserve" is a one-way ticket back to 'slamotardistan and a boot in the ass when they get there, and a warning not to return under penalty of death. If they want to take a holiday honoring their pedophile prophet, let them take it at Christmas or Thanksgiving.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 28, 2005 07:39 AM (0yYS2)
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It wont be long until we wont be celebrating anything except some muselum holidays all becuase of the jerks that run the school boards and the secular idiots at the leftist ACLU
Posted by: sandpiper at October 28, 2005 08:29 AM (aoHRB)
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Veterans Day next year falls on a Saturday. And I would rather that my sons attend school on Veterans Day. Then they get to hear from actual Veterans and meet the true heroes in our community.
Posted by: Bullshark at October 28, 2005 08:32 AM (/E1+1)
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I think the progression of your thoughts and feelings beginning with outrage and ending with taking a deeper look at the issue is a typical one. I was also angered at this story but there are some very important questions that do need to be dealth with the most relevant being - When does a traditional judeo-christian nation like ours have enough diversity that we have alter our traditional view of religious holidays? If half the country converted to Islam would we hold on to our Christian government sponsered holidays just for the sake of tradition?
Posted by: Jeremy at October 28, 2005 08:36 AM (lto3D)
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Jeremy,
We don't have any state sponsered Christian holidays anymore. That has been done away with. Do you see a reason to start that again?
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 28, 2005 10:40 AM (rUyw4)
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"When does a traditional judeo-christian nation like ours have enough diversity that we have alter our traditional view of religious holidays?"
We've already reached that point. While individually we have not altered our views, as a nation we have. Hence the politally correct non-mention of "Christmas". As Easter falls on Sunday, and most people don't work on Sunday anyway, the only other ones are Good Friday, which is not as widely recognized in the workplace, and Christmas Day. And it depends on what business you're in as to whether you get ANY holidays of ANY kind off.
But, you missed the point entirely. This is school. Remember? Where no religion is supposed to be mentioned? You know - "Winter Break" rather than "Christmas Vacation" and all that? Now they want another day declared off for "religious purposes" when we're not supposed to have religion in our schools. So what do we do now? Abolish winter break because one day out of two weeks is a Christian holiday? Or shift it so that Christmas Day is not in that two week period in order for a minority not to be offended?
As they said, "Students who miss class for a religious holiday will not be penalized." This is the respectful thing to do - not declare another holiday for religious purposes which a majority of students will not be celebrating as they are not Muslim.
Posted by: Oyster at October 28, 2005 04:08 PM (fl6E1)
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Simple fact: the majority of people in this country celebrate Christmas in one way or another, be it religiously or commercially. If you held school on those days it would be a waste because no one would be there. And I teach, so trust me, those teachers that didn't get approved for personal days would be calling out sick. I'm also aware of a county in a neighboring state that has off for the Jewish holidays of Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur, because of the large Jewish population among students, but also staff. The fact that they wouldn't have enough substitutes, warrants those days off.
As for holidays, who can I complain to that I no longer have off for Columbus Day? I remember as a kid spending a week before talking about the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria. Now he's a murdering bastard and the students don't know anything about him. Oh well, at least when they did away with the Columbus Day holiday around here, they gave back the Veteran's Day holiday.
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And , hey! What about Festivus for the rest of us?
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Stop Attacking the American Journalist
Thats the title of an
article in the Yemen Times defending me by Abdulkarim al-Khaiwani, the Yemeni editor the bloggers helped me circulate a petition for. He was granted amnesty a week later (this was back in March.) Sometimes payback is not a beeyotch.
It discusses the Yemeni regime's attempts to contact me before they decided to start calling me a Zionist and numerous other nasty names in the governmental papers.
So this line is pretty funny: The question, which has been raised, is that how is it possible for the PresidentÂ’s journalist Mr. Sanabani to meet a Zionist writer.
Is that snark? Translated from Arabic it still comes through as snark.
Jane
Update: me bud d-rod asks the eturnal question Why? Maybe its my articles like this one about the criminal activities of the Yemeni president or maybe this one about attacks on the Yemeni journalists. My articles also get translated into Arabic and published in Yemen, so I'm blowing their propaganda in the West and inside Yemen.
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Posted by: Howie at October 27, 2005 08:58 PM (D3+20)
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hey Howie, I thought it was pretty damned cool myself. i was getting trashed BADLY by the yemeni government newspapers. And it took me a week to figure out the one article where the yemeni government said I had the culture of the soldiers at abu ghraib, that is was probably a sexual reference. so i dont hear it all but when this guy comes out swinging for little jane the neo-con blogger, then things must be going on the right track. because al-khaiwani is an astounding guy. not only did he refuse the offer one month into his sentence to apologize and get out of jail. but when he got the amnesty six months later, he refused to leave his cell in prison because his rights are not a gift. he wanted them affirmed by the court not bestowed by the president. his friends had to drag him out. so for this guy to be standing with me is a HUGE honor. seriously. i have the greatest repect for him. he lives it. and plus he's a great writer in arabic and the government shut him down. they took his paper and threatened the other papers if they publish his articles against the regime. so im appreciating Rusty for letting me get him more name recongition. because its not over, the regime hates us both. but he's there in Yemen with no rights. and im here with the bloggers, my buddies. a lot of people know al-khaiwani already, soon it will be more.
Posted by: Jane at October 27, 2005 09:23 PM (M7kiy)
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Post all you want we'll make more. I'm sure Rusty approves. I remember your issue here. I see lots of stuff so when I saw the post I remembered, just had to read it cause I knew it would be good. Powerful stuff bloggin. Best of luck to you both. Glad it's worked out for the better thus far.
Posted by: Howie at October 27, 2005 09:56 PM (D3+20)
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Roddy Pipe-hitter - your swabbie head is full of popcorn and you are fighting the law of nature. Stop in the name of reality or the motorcycles will blow out your ears and the snakes will race up your nose.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at October 27, 2005 10:41 PM (msD7v)
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Why would they want to smear Sweet Jane? She's so cool. I don't get it.
Posted by: d-rod at October 28, 2005 01:38 AM (Is+Gf)
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Hey Howie! Sorry I haven't been around to bitch-slap Gayrooster... I wanted to share this hilarious flash link:
http://www.arnoldsneighborhood.com/
I had to laugh...and even if the "neo-cronies" are all going to court, you still gotta giggle at this. Since I haven't been around, has it been a shit storm in here with recent news?
Posted by: osamabinhiding at October 28, 2005 02:20 AM (pzxxR)
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Osama,
Greyrooster hasn't been here, either. He only got back yesterday after having heart surgery.
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Thanks Howie, I appreciate it, sometimes things get hairy. I can use all the back-up I can get.
d-rod hey dude, i answered you in the post.
Posted by: Jane at October 28, 2005 06:32 AM (6krEN)
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This is terrific news, Jane. Amazing what one voice can do. News like this gives us all hope. I wish Mr. al-Khaiwani the best of luck. I'll attempt to track his articles in the future. And welcome! Will you be posting regularly?
(Although I'm sorry to see the usual suspects hijack an otherwise excellent thread with totally non-related comments.)
Posted by: Oyster at October 28, 2005 06:48 AM (YudAC)
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Thanks for the lovely reception, Oyster. Theres a natural affinity between the US right and the Arab reformers.
Im very good at ignoring trolls, and these are lightweights compared to the Yemeni govt weasels.
I'll be posting the interesting stuff about the terrorist sponsoring kleptocracy known as the Yemeni government. Or when they do something bad like kidnap a reformer.
Posted by: Jane at October 28, 2005 07:22 AM (6krEN)
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Jane, these aren't even trolls, they're just not smart enough. Just think of them as sort of court jesters/ambassadors from the left whose purpose it is to remind us every day that the opposition is neither credible, sane, nor mature. They think that by posting their drivel they are somehow insulting us or changing our minds, but the actual effect is quite the opposite. Just be sure not to waste any time reading their posts or you'll lose IQ points.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 28, 2005 07:50 AM (0yYS2)
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JJ: Heart problems? That's too bad. I'm sure he's on doctor's orders to keep stress down and not post anything in here for a while, eh?
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Well, Osama, I think he's ok, but he's bound to be weak for awhile. So we'll see. Hope he gets back and ramps up the excitement wheel. You too, where have you been?
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 28, 2005 03:28 PM (rUyw4)
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JJ...been busy as hell writing music for a bunch of spots. Mostly car commercials.
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Multinational Force Spokesman: Media Being Manipulated by Terrorists
Stating a blindingly obvious point that has somehow escaped the Western media, Army Major General Rick Lynch today said:
"Half the battle is in the battlefield of the media. The terrorists will use the media as a combat multiplier to hide their limited capabilities."
It's a shame that the General has to spoonfeed the press like this, but with the massive egos occupying the brainpans, especially in television news, of reporters there just isn't much room left over for analytic ability and common sense.
Common sense should have told even the dullest newsperson in the Palestine Hotel that it had no intrinsic military value other than as propaganda, yet each network dutifully carried water for the terrorist insurgency by replaying the "spectacular explosions" over and over.
Odd, given the broadcast media's fascination for brilliant flashes of light and shiny things that there has been an embargo of images from the 9/11 attacks for years. The excuse given is that they don't want to "inflame" the American public. Unfortunately, there seems to be no equivalent concern about inflaming the ignorant, bloodthirsty, and illiterate buffoons who make up the bulk of the "Arab street".
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I also wonder why it is that virtually none of the MSM reported the fact that:
A) the attack was an attempt to take them all hostage (and we know how that usually ends upÂ…ask John The Baptist)
B) the attack was repelled by the Iraqi Security Forces, you know, the ones that canÂ’t shoot straight unless an American Solider is holding the gun.
I had a sliver’s thread holding on to the notion that just maybe the MSM was “trying” to report things fairly. The “reporting” of this attack cut that last thread of dignity.
Posted by: JohnMc at October 27, 2005 02:29 PM (y+I+a)
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Welcome to reality John. The media have been the waterboys of every psychopathic dictator and murderer since the New York Times threw in with Lenin, and possibly before. See, the thing is that they love a good story, and if it happens to be true, fine, but if not, oh well, at least it'll sell some papers and maybe make them a star.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2005 03:04 PM (0yYS2)
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John, How do you know that the intention was to take hostages? I have heard this said before but don't know the source of it.
Posted by: babs at October 27, 2005 03:43 PM (fAmiP)
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babs
Do you think they were delivering pizzas?
Posted by: hondo at October 27, 2005 04:47 PM (ymtSt)
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Maybe they just wanted to invite them to tea? We must remember that we shouldn't judge them on their ways, because they are from a different culture, and maybe cutting throats is their way of showing they like you.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2005 06:17 PM (0yYS2)
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Kooky Klanrooster - God gives you another chance after Katrina and the waves. Your 64 years of hatred has been scrapped from your heart and only you can keep it out. Your enemy is not muslim, your only enemy is in your demented noggin. Come back to Jesus.
Jesusmonger Joe - you are king dunce scrubbyhead, eating walruses' oysters and laying pipe on Fire Island. You fish for pennies in septic tanks and belch idiocy. Your mommy is a hamster and your hubcaps are made for pissing on.
Thanos666 - sick, sick, sick. Your Chicom PLA plan to save the mideast is lost forever. Your head is full of fire and your tongue is a snake.
Improbulus Makeupkit - still shooting blanks and being such a girlyman pansy. Only you would load crisco covered potatos into a baseball pitching machine, huncgh down in front and scream "Armageddon!" as it atacks you from behind. Chimp is beating you in the face with a board and you even help him do it. Sickpup.
Filthy - you are my goofy friend
The Chinese gave up.. The British are quitting.. It's all over!! You can't get awaaay!!! you can't get awaaaay!!! WOO HOO!!!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at October 27, 2005 08:33 PM (msD7v)
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DSM: Korea eh?
you makey sucky, sucky for dollah, yes? , you love long time? me likey fwied rice?
If someone will ban him, I'll write a perl script that does two posts a day, consisting of the same crackhead speak you have come to be use to, thus replacing him. Walmart style.
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 09:08 PM (CcXvt)
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Yes you know the terrorist released some crap saying they were after some security company they consider Israeli spy stuff. But I just keep thinking of the equipment and hostages. If they just wanted to kill just a bomb would have worked. No they wanted in and were driven off by Iraqi forces. How embarrasing. There were some Americans too but Iraqi forces are getting better. It may take quite a while but I'm feeling better about the war. I'm all opposite you know. If you listen to the MSM you would think we were on our last leg. Sorry but I know what this country can do if it puts it's mind to it. If the left only cared about Iraqi rights as much as they care for their own. My only worry is that the last month or two politics has went beserk on us. Distracting from the real work to be done in the world and here.
Posted by: Howie at October 27, 2005 10:08 PM (D3+20)
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http://hammernews.com/prevention2.htm
Posted by: Route Irish at October 27, 2005 11:25 PM (Eh9tH)
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Dave, the idiot gets banned regularly, but apparently in a nation full of me-love-you-longtime ten dollar hookers, he has nothing better to do. We should have let the commies have the place.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2005 11:27 PM (0yYS2)
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Babs-
I heard it reported on the radio and here is a link to a post made by Major E. (in Baghdad) at Powerline:
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/012041.php
Here is a transcript of “Hannity & Colmes” where they discuss the attack:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173413,00.html
Posted by: JohnMc at October 28, 2005 09:51 AM (y+I+a)
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"Common sense should have told even the dullest newsperson in the Palestine Hotel that it had no intrinsic military value other than as propaganda"
Not so common as to prevent our troops from shooting at it.
Posted by: actus at October 29, 2005 05:00 PM (Zi15r)
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A Little Help, Please
Who is this "Harry Etmyers" that everyone keeps talking about?
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I don't know either.
Just talked to one of my fishing partners. His $800.00 home at Eden Isles (Slidell, La) sustained major water damage. So he moved to one of his condo's (that happened to be empty) on Lake Huron in Michigan. Fema send him $2,000.00 to help with his relocation. They also sent him $2350.00 for addition rent expenses. Let me see here. He moves from his beautiful home on the water in La. to his condo on Lake Huron and the tax payers pay the bill???? He also lost a fancy moter coach. His moter coach, boats and home are fully insured and the guy has millions. Way to go Fema.
The Fema employees brought from out of state at great expense have to travel 45 minutes to work from the tax paid for motel they are staying in. They also get meals paid for. They are working 66 hrs per week. NOW GET THIS. They are paid at an overtime rate for the 2 1/2 hrs per day they drive to work buddied up 4 to a car. THE WORKING PEOPLE paying the bill don't get paid overtime for sitting in traffic or driving long distances to work.
The idea behind FEMA is good. The actual management is horrible.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 27, 2005 01:34 PM (M7kiy)
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not to threadjack, but:
Greyrooster, I was watching some of the people in queues for Water and bags of Ice on CNN. Now bare in mind that this was a little over forty-eight hours after the Hurricane -- people actually had the nerve to start attacking FEMA saying that they did not provide enough water or Ice.
Why is it in todays society people feel like the Government should be their wet nurse? With all the warnings about the Hurricane they couldn't buy enough bottled water, fill water containers or even their bathtub? couldn't have stocked a cooler with ice?
You'd almost think we lived in a nation of "Old Mother Hubbard's" that don't have enough Food, or Water to survive 3-7 days?
I personally don't rely on the Government for anything in my life, and I sure wouldn't be relying on them to provide me food/water/shelter in the event of a natural disaster. I'm not why some people don't take responsibility for their own wellbeing.
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 02:06 PM (CcXvt)
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Isn't he a pitcher for the ChiSox?
Threadjack: The gov't can't be a nanny, more like a spiteful schoolmarm... And I'm pretty sure your buddy with the condos paid way more than five grand to the government in any given year. Where's the skin off your nose if he gets some back? Are you arguing that other people deserve his money more than he does?
Posted by: tee bee at October 27, 2005 03:01 PM (q1JHF)
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Welcome back, Greyrooster, if you haven't seen my comments on another thread. Glad to know you're better than ever, what with your new plumbing and all.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 27, 2005 03:08 PM (rUyw4)
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tee bee:
Reality called, and left a message it reads "I'm missing you."
I bet you think the two thousand dollar debit cards were a good idea too?
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 03:22 PM (CcXvt)
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How come Jeb isn't on tv bawling his eyes out at the disaster that is Florida? How come I don't hear about no Lootin or people being picked off roof tops?
No rapes or killins or 2000 debit cards... No Geraldo loosin his shizzle on tv?
What's up wit dat?
Posted by: Filthy Allah at October 27, 2005 03:37 PM (5ceWd)
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Filthy,
That logic you're using will lead you to the subject that cannot be discussed in a rational way in America: RACE.
Good luck, because it needs to be addressed.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 27, 2005 04:01 PM (rUyw4)
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Jesusland joe
Race may be too broad - personally think it has more to do with class - and I don't mean socio-economic. Remember - the images we all saw were essentially confined to one urban area (NO)with a rather sleazy and seemy reputation to start with.
Posted by: hondo at October 27, 2005 05:02 PM (ymtSt)
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Hondo,
I have to agree that NO is rather seemy and sleazy, no doubt about that, but I have been to most major cities in the US, and they all have that same problem in microcosm.
We can discuss class all we want, but the fact that you dodged the "race question" confirms my original statement. If you discuss it in a rational or irrational way, you will still be labeled a racist, while a black man can get on national television(C-Span) and call for the extermination of the white race from the entire Earth and we don't even hear a hiccup out of the MSM.
Why is that, Hondo, or anyone else out there. Why?
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 27, 2005 06:49 PM (rUyw4)
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ah, the race card, the p\oker equivalent of a royal flush.
Once bought into play by a black person, during discussion of an issue; you're officially on notice you're a bigot.
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 09:23 PM (CcXvt)
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Jesusmonger Jehosephat - beast-eaters anakinomymous has selected you as purveyor of the disgusting mothball mouth perky pills.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at October 27, 2005 10:43 PM (msD7v)
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I like perky pills and take them regularly. Strawbery is my favorite flavor. DSM is a dumn ass.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 28, 2005 05:05 AM (rUyw4)
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I'm a bigot Dave; I hate stupid people and think they should all be neutered and sent to work in some salt mines somewhere, and the fact that there is a higher incidence of stupidity among some demographic groups than others is in no way a fault of mine.
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Beheading Terrorists Killed in Mosul Raid of Safe House.
Good news, the last time we saw this guy he was personally helping to behead people. IÂ’ve inquired about which specific beheadings this now very dead man was involved in. When I find out IÂ’ll pass that along to you. We got his buddy too.
CENTCOM:An al-Qaeda terrorist cell leader who personally assisted in at least three videotaped beheadings and his assistant were killed during a Coalition raid of a suspected safe house in Mosul Oct. 22. Nashwan Mijhim Muslet (aka Abu Tayir or Abu Zaid) was a senior operational al-Qaeda in Iraq terrorist cell leader who operated specifically in the Mosul area. His cell was known as the primary beheading cell for Abu Talha, the al-Qaeda in Iraq Emir of Mosul who was captured in June, 2005, and Abu Zubayr, second in command to Talha and later Emir of Mosul after Talha was detained. Zubayr was killed in August, 2005.
Good riddance I can only hope it was a slow and painful death and he was very aware he was dying the whole time. Click for photos of his ugly mug and his buddy below.
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This makes my day! Goodbye you rotten bastard, and burn in hell. Sorry for the language, but nothing else seemed appropriate.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 27, 2005 09:59 AM (rUyw4)
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My congrats to the the guys who took out these pieces of trash. I guess it's true what they say: what goes around, comes around........in the form of a 5.56 NATO round to the cranium.
Posted by: Graeme at October 27, 2005 10:03 AM (JrY7w)
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One by one they all come down, no different than other organized crime.
Posted by: Ernie Oporto at October 27, 2005 10:58 AM (/lpvu)
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My GOD!!! thats my neighbors boyfriend.... U ASSTARDS!!!!!!
Posted by: King Kong at October 27, 2005 11:40 AM (0uVqr)
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Yaaay! Al Reuters is lacking another "journalist."
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at October 27, 2005 12:05 PM (Lq/X7)
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Who says you can't use violence to attain peace?
Posted by: Vulture 6 at October 27, 2005 02:48 PM (XmJvb)
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Anyone who says violence doesn't solve problems simply doesn't know how to properly apply violence.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2005 03:10 PM (0yYS2)
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IM,
As a character on one of my favorite Sci Fi TV shows once said, "There are few problems in the Universe that cannot be solved by the application of a brick to the head. Difficulties arise when you don't have a big enough BRICK or you can't find the right HEAD. The Devil is in the details."
Posted by: Brian B at October 27, 2005 03:54 PM (rGfpg)
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Man, I wish I could have been the one on the trigger when that went down. A round to each kneecap. Wait five minutes...A round to the genitals. Wait five minutes...Then finish up with Buckwheats and watch them contort until they go meet the 72 male camels waiting for them in "paradise". Sorry...these cowards really get me stewed. And I eat too much red meat. And...
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at October 27, 2005 05:52 PM (CtVG6)
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You and me both brother.
Posted by: I am Jill's nipple at October 27, 2005 06:18 PM (0yYS2)
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10785.htm
Posted by: Route Irish at October 28, 2005 02:27 AM (Eh9tH)
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Our own opinions aside, who the fuck cares about wether or not the UN agrees with the war in Iraq anyway, Irish? The UN is a bunch of limp-dick, irrelevant cowards who would rather sit around and wait until after the genocide, disaster, or terrorist attacks to do anything about it. They don't know the meaning of preemptive. Just ask the people of Rwanda, Somalia, the Eastern Block...etc. We should get out of the UN right now. They can stick those blue helmets up their asses. Oh, and the French should be speaking German if you want my opinion on that too.
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at October 30, 2005 07:44 PM (CtVG6)
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Jack, before you pump then full of lead, there is something I would like to seen done to them first. Have a priest, baptism them a Christian, give them their last rites and tell them now they are not going to Muslim Paradise, but to Christian Hell. I'd love to see the look on their faces.
Posted by: Drifter at October 31, 2005 04:24 AM (PvN9G)
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And for the icing on the cake: wait a couple days after their death to bury them (instead of burying them inside of 24 hours as per Muslim tradition), bury them facing the west face down (ditto), stick a broomstick up their asses and include a bottle of Jim Beam, a dead hooker, a huge joint, and a freshly ass-wiped copy of the Quran in the ditch with them.
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Miers Withdraws as Supreme Court Nominee
President Bush announced the withdrawal of Harriet Miers as a nominee for the U.S. Supreme Court. The President reluctantly accepted her letter of withdrawal. No links yet. Developing ...
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It's being reported that Miers talked to President Bush last night and asked if she could withdraw.
From the Chicago Tribune:
President Bush said he reluctantly accepted her decision to withdraw, after weeks of insisting that he did not want her to step down. He blamed her withdrawal on calls in the Senate for the release of internal White House documents that the administration has insisted were protected by executive privilege.
"It is clear that senators would not be satisfied until they gained access to internal documents concerning advice provided during her tenure at the White House -- disclosures that would undermine a president's ability to receive candid counsel," Bush said. "Harriet Miers' decision demonstrates her deep respect for this essential aspect of the constitutional separation of powers -- and confirms my deep respect and admiration for her."
Washington is stunned by the news since the withdrawal of a nominee is quite
unusual. It has occurred with only seven of 150 nominees in the history of the Supreme Court.
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How are you Mr. American?
I'm great I used to have to study the bible and go through life to determine right and wrong but now since the Feds and corporations showed me in plain black and white thay they have clear title to my body I've stopped all that.
What do yo do now?
I just read the Federal code of law and the company policy book. They tell me just what I can't put in my body, Where I can go, What I can do, who I can hang with and that my money still belongs to them even after I get the check for my work and I should spend it where they tell me to. Saves me a whole lot of trouble. Freedom was so burdensome I had to make all kinds of descisions. Now that I'm a slave I'm happy. Big load off my mind.
Posted by: Howie at October 27, 2005 11:15 AM (D3+20)
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Must be in the wrong thead - sorry.
Posted by: hondo at October 27, 2005 11:57 AM (ymtSt)
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Must be in the wrong thread - sorry.
Posted by: hondo at October 27, 2005 11:58 AM (ymtSt)
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I nominate Filthy for the supreme court
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at October 27, 2005 10:44 PM (msD7v)
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Screw that, I nominate Maximus...he'd kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out later!
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Judge Orders Release of Gitmo Records
Lawyers representing hunger-striking Guantanamo Bay detainees have
convinced U.S. District Court Judge Gladys Kessler to order the government to inform detainees' defense lawyers at least 24 hours before any force-feeding and to provide the lawyers with medical records weekly.
Julia Tarver, a lawyer for three of the detainees, asserted in court papers that when she visited her clients she found them weak and sometimes able to speak only with difficulty because of throat lesions they said were caused by having the feeding tubes forced in. Ms. Tarver said one detainee, Yousef Al-Shehri, told her that a feeding tube had been roughly inserted through his nose into his throat, causing him to spit up blood.
Notably, without the forced-feeding, the detainees likely would have died and, according to the government, none have.
Judge Kessler acted on an emergency petition because it was "deeply troubling" that detainees had feeding tubes inserted without sedatives or anesthesia.
"If the allegations are true - and they are all explicitly, specifically and vigorously denied by the government - they describe the conduct of which the United States can hardly be proud," the judge wrote.
Although Kessler directed the government to provide notifications and records, she denied the request for the lawyers to have immediate telephone access to the detainees.
It seems that Judge Kessler's decision is based exclusively on the adequacy of the medication administered to the detainees prior to inserting the feeding tubes. Her ruling indicates that the detainees are not sufficiently drugged before having a tube shoved up their noses and down their esophaguses. I must assume that there have been past cases where judges have determined the amount medication to be administered. I'm personally uncomfortable with the idea. In my estimation, no amount of legal training and experience prepares a judge to practice medicine.
Nevertheless, ordering the release of medical documents will surely prompt the detainees' lawyers to start searching for other issues to litigate. The latest wrangling over the medication issue is part of an ongoing campaign by human rights advocates to force the government into giving the detainees more legal rights.
It's unknown whether the government will appeal.
Companion at Interested-Participant.
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Anyone amazed that a Judge is able to determine Medicine?
it works for the Insurance Companies who's $12.00/hr lackeys decide what medication you can, and can't have if they pay for it, or when you're well enough to leave Hospital etc.
The whole system needs fixing.
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 07:56 AM (CcXvt)
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I have NEVER sedated or anesthetized a patient to insert a nasogastric tube. What a load!
Posted by: Bill at October 27, 2005 08:30 AM (HnpxX)
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I've never really understood why we can't just leave them to starve. everyone else has the right to commit suicide in any way they like. I know there's the argument about providing martyrs for the cause, but I'm not convinced that decades of what amounts to torture deflates any of that!
Same with the dirty protests in Ireland in the 70's. If they want to paint their cell walls in excrement & sit in it, let them.
Of course this only applies if you belive they are capable of making rational decisions. But if you don't, then they should not be in prison in the first place, as they can not have commited a deliberate crime.
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at October 27, 2005 08:54 AM (cZrVc)
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I agreee. Let them starve. No skin off my nose, since I would have had them shot when their interrogation was finished.
Posted by: Scott in CA at October 27, 2005 10:31 AM (rF49i)
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If things keep going the way they are, it won't be long before the military will have to ask a court for permission to drop a bomb. One wonders how a war can be fought with constant court interventions, and one wonders where all the money is coming from for these people. If I had to guess, I would bet the money is coming from the US government, as stupid as that sounds. The money has to be coming from someplace, perhaps even foreigners. This needs to be looked into. Sure wish we had a media.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 27, 2005 10:32 AM (rUyw4)
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Joe,
I believe you're correct, they do get taxpayers money from a clause in the Civil Rights Act, one of the following proposed amendments is a direct attack against the ACLU being funded under the Civil Rights Act:
http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2005/06/01/public-expression-of-religion-act-of-2005-introduced-in-house/
This article also references it:
http://www.legion.org/?section=pub_relations&subsection=pr_listreleases&content=pr_press_release&id=289
The 1976 Civil Rights Attorney's Fee Awards Act was much needed legislation, but in recent years, certain groups have abused the congressional intent of this public law in 'Establishment Clause' lawsuits against the Boy Scouts of America, the Ten Commandments, and now veterans' memorials, " said Thomas P. Cadmus, National Commander of The American Legion. "And it is time to fix it!"
"Exorbitant attorney fees awarded by Courts to be paid by American taxpayers has become the newest 'Sword of Damocles' strategically employed by organizations like the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) to coerce settlements by cities, counties, states, and large organizations like the Boy Scouts of America and the Department of Defense by suits and threats of lawsuits against any public expression of America's religious history, heritage, and values," Cadmus said. "When out-of-court settlements are more cost effective than the judicial process, then the system is clearly broken."
While the articles mainly reference religious practice, it's not a far stretch of the imagination to conclude that their current lawsuits also are filed under "Civil Rights" and you're picking up the tab.
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 11:05 AM (CcXvt)
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Jesusland Joe,
Do you know anything at all about the media? I'm a reporter, and I can tell you that YOU have every bit as much ability and right to look into these things as I have. And you have just as much ability as I have to publish your findings on the Internet.
As for your concern that a war can't be fought with judicial involvement, have you ever heard of the concept of inalienable rights? It's this novel idea our FOUNDING FATHERS talked a bit about in our Constitution. And while they were using it in reference to the people of the United States, they were saying that it was applicable to all people. In fact, that's the whole reason we're fighting this war in Iraq, isn't it? Our action is based on the notion that Iraqis have the same inalienable rights, and their government should reflect this fact.
If we are not consistent with those beliefs in the way we treat prisoners of war, we will lose the central battle here -- the moral battle, the battle of ideas.
Posted by: whit at October 27, 2005 11:15 AM (VY4j/)
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whit:
what's the "grim milestone" for this "moral battle, the battle of ideas." of yours, and do you have any flashy graphics / taglines to show me how we're losing it?
Just asking?
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 11:23 AM (CcXvt)
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They're not "prisoners of war" whit, they're captured terrorists. To be a legal POW, they must be uniformed members of a military force engaged in declared conflict, among other criteria. Since they fit none of these criteria, they are criminals and terrorists, and should be beaten daily with a rubber hose while hanging from their genitalia, and made to sleep in their own filth until they talk, then taken out and shot and buried wrapped in pigskin.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2005 02:41 PM (0yYS2)
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Whit,
I was a newspaper editor for a small daily while in college, and had wanted to make it my career. I know a little about the media, especially the AP, through my experiences with them and other actors in the newspaper business.
I do not claim to have any special knowledge about the Constitution, other than what any citizen might gain from a reading of it. I do not believe I read anything in the Constitution that gave particular rights to the enemies of the United States, and most particular to persons who attack the US without the benefit of fighting for a recognized party under certain treaties signed and duly ratified by the US Senate. But I freely admit I could be wrong.
And yes, I admit I want the Iraqi people to have the same basic rights I have, but the insurgents are the ones trying to prevent that, i.e. we are in a conflict with them. They are not recognized as combatants by treaty or international law, so I must assume they should not receive the same treatment as a POW under international agreements. If I am wrong, please correct me, because I admit to not having specialized knowledge in this field.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 27, 2005 03:23 PM (rUyw4)
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"they are criminals and terrorists, and should be beaten daily with a rubber hose while hanging from their genitalia, and made to sleep in their own filth until they talk, then taken out and shot and buried wrapped in pigskin."
Is that how you usually treat criminals in the USA?
i agree they are criminals, and therefore have the same rights as any other criminals - specifically not to be tortured or murdered.
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at October 27, 2005 03:42 PM (cZrVc)
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Mrs. A, Should they also be force fed if they choose not to eat or, left to die as they wish? I recently read the menus for the detainees at Gitmo. It turns out that we are providing over $12 of food a day to the detainees and less than $9 a day to the military working there.
It is my belief that if a person chooses not to eat and, they are fully capable of feeding themselves and offered decent food, than you should let them starve to death. Choice, isn't that what America is all about?
Posted by: babs at October 27, 2005 03:57 PM (fAmiP)
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Mrs A., it's how I'd treat someone who just blew up a bomb in the middle of a bunch of children or my friends. What would you do, offer him some granola and a hug?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2005 06:20 PM (0yYS2)
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Ah, but IM you're misunderstanding the issues:
Only terrorists have the inalienable rights to not be tortured, nor murdered -- doesn't apply to their victims evidently !
No sir -- Terrorists they have the right to three squares a day, special religious treatment, air conditioners, craft materials and an arrow pointing to Mecca.
Welcome to a softer kind of War™
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 09:31 PM (CcXvt)
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Dave, how did you do that?
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 27, 2005 10:14 PM (rUyw4)
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Improbuli - the scrubbies are helping you recover from the pitching machine and pumping party accidents. Stop wacking your head with bricks and listen hard - DSSM is always watching weasels jumping around in your head.
You cant get awaay!!! WOO HOOO!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at October 27, 2005 10:47 PM (msD7v)
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What did he do jj? You mean this: ™? If so, it's ALT 0153.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2005 11:29 PM (0yYS2)
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Babs, please see my first comment. I believe they have every right to commit suicide in any way they think will be fun. Starvation doesn't rank particulalrly high in my book, but each to their own.
However, if you agree they are criminals, convicted of murder/treason whatever, they should be treated as criminals, which in America I believe means they should not be tortured, injured, forcibly starved etc. If you believe they are POW's, they should be treated under the codes of the Geneva Convention. If you think you need to invent a new category of detainee for terrorists, you need to draft/pass a law explaining their status.
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at October 28, 2005 01:43 AM (cZrVc)
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We elect presidents but were run by judges what a mess these fools are creating with the stupididly
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Iran to launch recon satellite
I know a few things about Iran but I was not aware that
they had a space program. Well, actually, they are shooting a Chinese "Sina" satellite on top of a Russian rocket from a Russian launch pad. So they outsourced it. But pretty soon they'll have an eye in the sky--several, actually, with more launches planned.
Why are they doing this? Iran's embassy in Moscow "said Sina would be capable of monitoring natural disasters and urban growth."
Oh, right. Sure. Got it. Mmmhm. Yep.
If you believe that's what it's for, you probably just can't wait for that peaceful, energy-generating Iranian nuclear program to come on line.
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We owe all this to Jimmy. If he had not double crossed the Shaw 27 years ago we and the world would have one less agressive fascist nation to contend with. Thanks Jimmy no wonder you got the Smokeless Powder, TNT peace prize.
For those youngsters reading this Nobel was the most profitable war monger in the history of the world. In today's terms he made $trillions on selling weaponry to the most belligerent nations in the world in the 19th and 20th centuries. Including:USA, UK, Germany, Japan to name just a few. His products maimed millions and killed hundreds of thousands. The all time oxymorn has to be "Nobel Peace Prize". Way ahead of "The Religion of Peace" which would be second.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at October 27, 2005 05:10 AM (R3FcZ)
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It makes more sense if oxymoron is read instead of oxymorn
Posted by: Rod Stanton at October 27, 2005 05:13 AM (R3FcZ)
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Can we all agree that American space program technology stolen by China during the Clinton administration was a factor in the launching of the Iranian satellite?
Posted by: Mike at October 27, 2005 06:37 AM (ywZa8)
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Hmmm "monitoring natural disasters and urban growth"
More like, "Being able to get kick ass pictures of Israel before and after we nuke them!"
Wake up world. These guys are f-ing nuts and just itching to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
Posted by: WunderKraut at October 27, 2005 07:25 AM (7YBmf)
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It wouldn't surprise me if there were a catastrophic "systems failure" in the Iranian Satellite once it gets up in space, delivered via some sort of ECM (Electronic Counter Measure) from our own Satellites.
I doubt the idea of an enemy state launching a Satelite hasn't been taken into account, and planned for.
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 08:07 AM (CcXvt)
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Do we still have the ASAT missle in the inventory?
Posted by: Brian at October 27, 2005 09:17 AM (jC62v)
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Uh, Mike, it wasn't stolen, it was given away for a measley campaign contribution. It makes me sick to even think about it, but Clinton also gave away nuclear weapons secrets that advanced the Chinese nuclear program by 20 years. Yep, we have a lot to thank Clinton for.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 27, 2005 10:36 AM (rUyw4)
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Well, it was going to happen at some point. You can only keep the nations of the world in the dark regarding technology. At some point, countries catch up.
Posted by: Venom at October 27, 2005 11:19 AM (dbxVM)
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Yeah you're absolutely correct Venom.
why anyone believe a country who hangs homosexuals, kills women by stoning and punishes crime with amputation of body parts is still in the darkage is beyond me. How ignorant of them.
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 11:28 AM (CcXvt)
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Who's talking about being civilized? I'm talking about technology. I'm sure there were some NASA geniuses who beat their wives, snorted coke, and read child porn, yet they still managed to launch a few astronauts onto the moon when they came to work. Being civilized has nothing to do with a grasp on technology. Shit, the blogosphere is a prime example of that. Is Iran stuck in the dark ages from a western societal standpoint? Absolutely. Doesn't mean they wouldn't know how to detonate a nuke if they got their hands on one, though, does it?
Posted by: Venom at October 27, 2005 11:45 AM (dbxVM)
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Venom,
While you're correct in stating civilized behavior is not part of their outlook on technology, you have to look at where the experience/materials for their nuclear program is coming from.
1. Scientists from other Nuclear nations (Pakistan/Russia) and Scientists educated in the West.
2. Large construction projects from Russia (Bushehr reactor) which Russia is also supplying the seed fuel for.
While the Iranian's are not exactly knuckle draggers who have to hit rocks together to make fire, without foreign assistance it is unlikely they would ever have a nuclear program, even Saddam based his nuclear project on the Manhatten project, with the modified magnatron (Baghdadatron) used for enrichment.
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 11:57 AM (CcXvt)
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It wouldn't surprise me if there were a catastrophic "systems failure" in the Iranian Satellite once it gets up in space,
I wouldn't be surprised if that happened before it got into orbit.
Posted by: Oxen at October 27, 2005 12:50 PM (w9vWW)
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dave, you are correct in what you're saying, but what's also being left out is the amount of foreign assistance many countries receive with their various technological endeavours. Besides, the whole point is that countries do catch up, whether it's their own scientists making discoveries or with the help of others. That's usually how societal technological advances occur. The point isn't who gets help from where. It's the fact that at some point, the technological playing field gets levelled.
Posted by: Venom at October 27, 2005 01:12 PM (dbxVM)
Posted by: Venom at October 27, 2005 01:25 PM (dbxVM)
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The sooner Israel nukes them, the better. Let's get this party started while we still have a clear advantage.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2005 02:43 PM (0yYS2)
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Venom,
Or perhaps the leveling of the playing field comes from the stagnation of technology in the more sophistocated society. I remember that Rome, the city, finally disintergrated only after the aquaducts that brought water into the city were destroyed by the barbarians. The population of Rome dropped from about 1,000,000 to less than 10,000 in a very short period of time.
The type of government that Iran has is not likely to let its people have enough freedom to be productive. The only thing Iran has going for it is oil, and hopefully that will be less valuable as we go forward. Iran and the other Religo-Fascist states of the Mideast have a window right here, right now, where they will wield power out of proportion to their economies and population, but it will not last long in my opinion. China is a threat to the east, India is a threat from the south, and that is why they are aiming the jihad at the West.
If, and this is a big if, Europe can find the WILL to stand up and fight, the Islamists will fail miserably. Their only chance is in the West, where they have useful idiots who support them, and a population on the decline. These two things work in their favor in the short run, but the US is the wild card here, and they know it. That is why they want to run the US out of the Mideast so badly. If we stick, the Islamists will be defeated. If not, Europe will probably fall, and who knows what might happen.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 27, 2005 03:02 PM (rUyw4)
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Roddy Pipehitter - you are the double crosser of the great state of Iowa. Your hubcaps are dredged through toxic sludge and your mnouth backfires
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at October 27, 2005 10:48 PM (msD7v)
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i dont understand how all you people could have such vivid pictures of iranian life, culture, technology etc. when your only resource is western media...CNN. Have any of you ever been to Iran? I would like to remind you to go research iranian history, and then your own Western, then tell me which one is civilized.
If iran wants to shit on israel, it should be allowed to, after all who doesnt want to shit on them?
heres the big question, if U.S is so worried about nukes, and WMD, why didnt you guys go after North Korea? oH thats right, because they actually pose a threat, and poses little resources for you.
You should remind yourself to take a look at things from another perspective, not be so greedy. After all when you die, your soul will live forever , and it will contain your conscience, which will torment you about your injustice about others, so you could have more.
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October 26, 2005
Jawa Hath Ith Privilegeth
One of the joys of being a Jawa Report poster is being on the inside, being in the know, ever mindful of the fact that yes, one day, I may too become an
anonymous high ranking official who asked not to be named.
And the icing on the cake is being the blogson. Being the blogson gives me access to Rusty that even Howie can only dream of.
What is the point of all this? Well, I have excellent news. Because of my special relationship with my blogfather, I am the only blogger here who has seen the fruits of his labors, the sweat of his brow, the baby that he is soon to deliver with all the pain and agony that birthing a masterpiece entails.
I have the first page of the first chapter of the book that Rusty is putting his final touches on, and I have been granted permission to post it here.
So without further ado, because he who hestitates, well, you know the rest...
more...
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without further ado . . .
:-)
Posted by: AStext at October 27, 2005 12:35 AM (iaPPX)
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Oh for Pete's sake. You had me going.
And, Route Irish, get your own blog.
Posted by: Oyster at October 27, 2005 05:28 AM (YudAC)
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Soon to be a literary masterpiece ranking with the works of such other masters as Gore and the Clintons.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at October 27, 2005 05:28 AM (R3FcZ)
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So what other perks does blogson have as opposed to Paduan beotch. I really gotta make a blog one of these days.
Posted by: Howie at October 27, 2005 09:22 AM (D3+20)
Posted by: Filthy Allah at October 27, 2005 09:57 AM (5ceWd)
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Howie...this is pretty much the extent of the perks.
Glad you dropped in, Filthy, I'm working on something just for you!
Posted by: Vinnie at October 27, 2005 10:01 AM (Kr6/f)
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This is almost criminal. That looks exactly like the picture my 10 year-old drew for me back in the 1st grade that still graces my frig. I say plagarism, Rusty, plagarism. I knew I should have copyrighted that darn drawing.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 27, 2005 10:08 AM (rUyw4)
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New banner for the rainbow coalition? j/k.
Posted by: Venom at October 27, 2005 11:22 AM (dbxVM)
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I think we need to appoint a special counsel to investigate the top-secret leaks coming out of the Sandcrawler. As Imperial leader, I promise to fire any person involved in the Jawa-Plame-Gate.
Posted by: Macktastick Rusty Wicked at October 27, 2005 01:26 PM (JQjhA)
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Kerry: Bring 20,000 Troops Home from Iraq
The irrelevent one speaks. Odd position considering it wasn't long ago he was
screaming for more troops. Obviously been hanging at the Waffle House again.
Sen. John Kerry says President Bush should bring home 20,000 troops from Iraq over the Christmas holidays if the December parliamentary elections there are successful.
Defeated by Bush last year and a potential candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, Kerry called for a "reasonable time frame" for pulling back troops rather than a full-scale withdrawal advocated by some Democrats. He said it could be completed in 12 to 15 months.
"It will be hard for this administration, but it is essential to acknowledge that the insurgency will not be defeated unless our troop levels are drawn down, starting immediately after successful elections in December," Kerry said in a speech prepared for delivery Wednesday at Georgetown University. Excerpts of the speech were obtained by the Associated Press.
Now that's what I call some seriously contorted reasoning.
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Here we have Kerry demonstrating his superior military intellect. Using his logic we can bring all the troops home tomorrow, and we will be victorious.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 26, 2005 05:27 PM (rUyw4)
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I like to get long-stroked when I haven't moved my
bowels in awhile. And then I take a big, satisfying
shit and feel light as a feather although I walk
with a limp.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 05:28 PM (qBGkb)
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The general speaks - due note that it is designed solely as a political gesture for the cindy crowd here - and has absolutely nothing to do with military planning in combat - he'd cut the ranks and leave their six open without thinking twice - boy! he really loves the soldiers!
If 20000 were not needed in field today, they would be home tomarrow - with Rumsfeld taking bows (and I don't even like him) - what a collection of leftist morons!
Posted by: hondo at October 26, 2005 06:23 PM (ymtSt)
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Why he's figured out the answer for the Houston Astro's! They've got too many men on their roster. If they will just remove five of them, then they'll sweep the last four games of the World Series. Brillient!
Posted by: Jim at October 26, 2005 07:02 PM (2+Aju)
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http://www.counterpunch.org/kelly10262005.html
Posted by: Route Irish at October 26, 2005 07:14 PM (Eh9tH)
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Hehe, that's funny greg. Do Vinnie now.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 07:34 PM (0yYS2)
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A couple of points. I thought I heard Brit Hume today characterize the flip flop as occuring within paragraphs. He was for more troops before he was for less troops!
Whatever, Kerry uses a time honored political tool here. He steals a page from the opposition's playbook. The commanders have been predicting (for a long time) a troop drawdown will be starting soon. I know the 3rd ID is soon to start packing it up to return home and from what I can see at Global Security I see no division replacing the 3rd ID (at least entirely).
It will be up to the Iraqis to finish off the terrorists, there is no one who denies that. It is apparent that the Iraqi Army and Police are quickly coming up to standards and from what I gather many Iraqi units depend on the US for logistics, they fight well and in a disciplined manner. Logistics though is not as easy as one thinks. Get the terrorism down to a certain level, brin the Iraqi army up to a level and then start to draw down. Very simple actually.
It is funny, they talk about no plan and yadda yadda yadda, but when asked about their plan it almost always exactly identical to the President's.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 26, 2005 08:31 PM (wPM7K)
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To me this seems like a challenge to the Prez. If Bush, for whatever reason, is unable to pull 20,000 troops out of theater then he would have to explain why. Seems like a trap to me.
Posted by: J at October 26, 2005 08:46 PM (/P1rH)
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oh! so
this is the infamous John Kerry's plan he was all telling us about, two stage:
A.) Go to the U.N, play on the fact you're not George W. Bush and you're left in a terrible predictment by a evil tyrant of a former President, beg for them to intercede with troops.
B.) If Plan A Failed,
Run away!, Run away!
Posted by: dave at October 26, 2005 08:54 PM (CcXvt)
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Improbulable Manhood - shootin' blanks at old dresses taken from your pink girly-closet, repeatedly hitting yourself in the face with a rubber mallet just to feel the squirming bugs and pharma-pills rattle inside your sick noggin. The screaming chimp is jumpin up and down on top of your nazi helmet as the sausages are trying to pump you up for the bombing weather
Klanrooster - having had the hate plumbed out of the artieries, the hamsters in your head are fighting to get out, the oil barreel is sloshing, the boar is grunting and surging swimmers, Chickazilla is stomping on Tylatoontown and the little soldier keeps disobeying your repeated beatings and blue perky-pill blessings.
Thanos666 - desperate for a fix of Eye-rakkie blood, you are screaming in the mirror as you punch your ears with bricks. Your socks have skidmarks and your orifice is sore from the Fire Island pumpkin ball party Jesusmonger - goerbelling for Stimpy, you emerge as the beast of the underworld fascist ho's. Eye-rakkies laugh at you as they plant weasels in your front yard. You can't find the gopher who sang to you in the morning and your West Hollywoood friends are begging to explore you deeper than the last time. Filthy is a good blogger.. The chinese are quitting! The british gave up! It's all over! You cant get Awaaay!!! You can't get awaaay!! WOO HOO!!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at October 26, 2005 09:13 PM (xoM4b)
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The reason Dems/libs are demanding a timeline is that they need a way to quantitatively say that Iraq is a failure. If a timeline was established, the next step is for them to hope that the timeline would not be met providing excellent stats to back up their false claim that Iraq is failure. Currently, the only quantitative fact they have is the death count which is why it's being exploited as much as it is.
Posted by: nugget at October 26, 2005 10:14 PM (c6+1c)
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In short, according to Kerry, and indeed all libtards, the best way to win is to run away. Okay, considering that they live in a black-is-white world, then that means we must not leave until the last terrorist is dead.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 11:23 PM (0yYS2)
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This guy is seriously derranged. He should be applied a battery of tests to probe his sanity or lack of it. Declarations like this look like coming out of a madhouse. I'm amazed.
Posted by: Miguel at October 27, 2005 03:31 AM (BO72y)
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John Kerry you keep his big mouth shut he has opened it once too often and ended up with his foot in it too many times
Posted by: sandpiper at October 27, 2005 08:20 AM (K3hNB)
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The guy can't stop flip-flopping, he's the Chubby Checker of politics - Do the twist! Do the twist! Do the twist!
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at October 27, 2005 12:16 PM (Lq/X7)
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Various Kerry positions over the past year:
1) We should have listened to the sacked general and sent in more troops
2) The U.S. army presence is what is causing all the trouble there (wait... shouldn't there have been more troops?)
3) While Bush's "as long as it takes" is the wrong track, we should stay there until things are done right (which differs how?)
4) Despite #3, draw down the troops.
Is there anything this guy won't say? Other than "I do" to a gal that ain't rich?
Posted by: ken at October 27, 2005 03:23 PM (hFZJx)
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Kerry is a traitor. He mouthed the VC's words when he made his impassioned plea for the war to end. A prize cocksucker if ever there was one.
Posted by: dav t at October 29, 2005 08:58 AM (f2QFx)
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kerry is of the same putrid mould as hanoi jane and galloway etc. First he calls for more troops and now "bring them home" ??
What kind of dickhead is this
Posted by: fatwaman at October 29, 2005 09:02 AM (f2QFx)
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Another Al Qaeda Smithereen Commando Suffers Premature Evisceration
From an
American Forces Press Service news release we learn that an Al Qaeda suicide bomber managed to blow up his suicide vest while still in the car with his accomplices:
Three people were seen in the vehicle before it exploded, officials said. One bomber was wearing a suicide vest, which apparently detonated early, killing the bomber and another occupant, while a third terrorist jumped from the moving vehicle in time to avoid being killed. Iraqi Police arrested the surviving insurgent. Iraqi explosive ordnance experts later cleared the scene.
It is believed that, because of his incompetence, Allah will not provide him with the traditional
72 raisins:
But Manji says recent research shows all that virgin stuff was based on an erroneous translation of the Koran: what awaits in heaven are 72 raisins. What? Could 54 people really have been blown up for a bag of raisins? “Well in 7th century Arabia raisins were so exalted as to be promoted to paradise.”
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BOOM,BOOM POW BLAM then its a place far below where they can swim in a lake of fire smell brimestone and they cant bad mouth the great satan and they just might meet a few of their comrads
Posted by: sandpiper at October 26, 2005 01:38 PM (U+eLg)
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Another sore blow to the progressive cause.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 02:12 PM (0yYS2)
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Heck,
When they get buried sprinkle some bran flakes on 'em. Raisin bran!
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 26, 2005 02:13 PM (wPM7K)
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Can you say....Islamotard?
Posted by: Vinnie at October 26, 2005 02:16 PM (Kr6/f)
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I would be real pissed if I got to heaven expecting to find 72 beautiful, voluptuous(like the one from Canada on the Jawa right now-scroll down for the best set I have ever seen) girls, and instead be served up a bowl of raisins. Puts a whole new perspective on all that jihad, suicide bomber crap, now don't it.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 26, 2005 03:19 PM (rUyw4)
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Because of their stunted genitalia, brave jihadi babyhunters are able to use raisins for sexual purposes.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at October 26, 2005 03:23 PM (RHG+K)
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Which button do I push.
that one
this....
Posted by: Howie at October 26, 2005 03:55 PM (D3+20)
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what was their sorry ass excuse to even have some bombers on the loose this time, anyways???...the palis will think up any reason, no matter how absurd and child like...well, they do have a childs intelligence thats for sure...the smart ones build the bombs while the rest go up to Allah on a pillar of fire and rubble....only the North Koreans seem to be as stupid as the Palis
Posted by: THANOS35 at October 26, 2005 04:04 PM (IgomX)
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Dear Comrades,
communications are difficult so we hope this report finds you well. As you know, Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. In the name of the Fuhror, the Merciless Exalted One, the Messenger of God, may God whisper sweetly in his ear, George W. Bush, may he triumph over the Evil Doers, if it be God's will, I send greetings from the front.
I can report that our Holy Crusaders are crushing the insurgency and march forward triumphantly. Soon we will drink our enemies' warm blood from the Holy Grail and it will be interned in the Tomb, at Yale, along with other trophies like the skull of Geronimo and Kennedy's pink parts. With God's help, through the Messenger of God, we shall slit them open to recover their hidden cache of golden coinage, and boil them in a sea of mother's milk, and feast on their steaming entrails as we celebrate the Dawn of Empire for the Bushian War Cult (as described by Baber).
Jesus put that oil under the sand for us, the Chosen and the Televangelists. McDonald's will thrive, much Bacon Grease will be spread, and our enemies' blood will lubricate our machinery and genitals, in an orgy of bloodlust. Our grandchildren will sing songs of our great exploits. Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader, George W. Bush, with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves. Their rebellion, infrequent, futile and brutally repressed.
The thousand year Fourth Reich is rising and nothing can stop it. Victory is ours. From the gates of hell, the cry is raised, "Long live the Fuhror"!
WWWWHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
(Thousands of frenzied Ziocons a screamin')
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at October 26, 2005 05:33 PM (qBGkb)
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Raisins are so mundane. Now prunes - that'll make paradise far more interesting.
Posted by: Graeme at October 26, 2005 05:34 PM (uTAUy)
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I think Greg got the word that the 72 virgins are raisins. He don't sound very happy.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 26, 2005 07:05 PM (rUyw4)
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Nah, greg just thought they were talking about virgin boys. Can you imagine the hell of being a pederast and being stuck for eternity with nothing but hot chicks?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 07:40 PM (0yYS2)
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Must been right out of MAD MAGAZINES classical SPY VS SPY only in this case the lady in grey did them both in
Posted by: sandpiper at October 26, 2005 08:49 PM (uPdgJ)
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"Another sore blow to the progressive cause"
bwahaha!
Oh, and Greg! Good to see ya buddy!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 26, 2005 09:22 PM (8e/V4)
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It sure is a bitch when the arming switch circuit isn't properly insulated from the "fuckitall" button. I'm still chuckling thinking about it hours later. Those crazy kids.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 11:25 PM (0yYS2)
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Kerry spent how many years in the Senate with a 3% attendance record and now he thinks we're hanging on his every word? (Okay, I exaggerated. It was 4%.)
Posted by: Oyster at October 27, 2005 05:37 AM (YudAC)
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It's raining men Hallelujah!
It's raining men, Amen
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 08:11 AM (CcXvt)
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Some of the "suicide" bombers are foreign recruits there to shoot and not play "splodydope". I'd wondered if any of them might decide to blow up early enough to take out the handlers.
Pretty interesting that one of them had enough warning to get out of the car.
Posted by: Phillep at October 27, 2005 10:27 AM (syf+x)
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The confusion over raisins or virgins is because of the lack of vowels in written Arabic. That means that many words can be translated in more than one way. In either case some who probably choose raisins over virgins, I myself have little use for the latter.
Posted by: john Ryan at October 27, 2005 12:57 PM (ads7K)
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Good case John. Arabic is an archaic language that is more contextual than definitive, and many words can have dual meanings simply because there are so few options for pronunciation due to the lack of vowels. English has many synonyms but this is mainly due to the fact that it is a hodgepodge language and has combined many different elements of syntax, context, and definition from about half a dozen different languages. Arabic simply lacks the complexity of English because the world in which it developed was very simple and didn't require a lot of explanation, hence the contextual nature.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2005 02:52 PM (0yYS2)
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John Ryan,
I doubt whether raisins would motivate very many suicide bombers.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 27, 2005 03:40 PM (rUyw4)
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Maybe it's the California Raisins? Remember those from 20 years ago? They sang "I heard it through the grapevine". Heh, good times.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2005 11:31 PM (0yYS2)
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A Note to Fellow Academic Bloggers: Follow Chomsky's Lead
I'm just checking in to let you all know that I am alive. I appreciate the work Howie, See-Dubya, Vinnie, Mike Pechar, Traderrob, Chris Short, Bluto, & the Demosophist have been doing in my absence. It looks like my book project may go a little longer than I anticpated, but only by a couple of weeks. I will be back, so please have patience.
What have I learned from writing this thing? Absolutely nothing. Oh, except, never write a book-length manuscript before submitting chapters to your editor. Trust me on this one.
On another topic, Spoons says goodbye to blogging. Wait, you mean Spoons was a lawyer? I never knew that.
This reminds me of a bit of advice I've been meaning to relay to academic bloggers: follow Chomsky's lead.
Follow Chomsky, you say, why that's an odd bit of advice coming from the Right?
Indeed it is. What I mean by that is you need to separate your academic work from your polemic work. Chomsky, as you may know, is a noted linguist. But, is Chomsky famous because he is a linguist? No. Please name his linguistic theory? He is famous because he is a critic of U.S. foreign policy. He is not an IR specialist nor does he have any training in political science. His tenure at MIT is based on his linguistic work, not on his foreign policy analysis. His foreign policy analysis is basically a polemic shaped by an ideology and world view. It is blogging before the advent of blogs.
If you are an academic blogger, follow Chomsky's lead and do not blog on your field of expertise. This may come as quite a shock to some of my readers, but I am not an IR specialist nor is my academic work related--even peripherally--to the Global War on Terror and Islamofascist ideologies.
In my role as a blogger I am just like you: I am a citizen journalist.
So, note to fellow bloggers in academia: leave the "expert opinions" to the peer reviewed journals. As for your blog, keep it simple, know its limitations, and do not tout your academic credentials in order to give some authority to your pontifications.
As for that last recommendation, do not follow Chomsky's lead. I'm not sure that it's Chomsky's fault that his followers rely on the logical fallacy of resorting to authority when quoting him. You can't say Chomsky's theories are stupid, they say, Chomsky works at MIT. As if the fact that Chomsky works at MIT as a linguist gives his theories on why U.S. foreign policy is (and has always been) bad mmmmmkay, some extra credibility.
The truth is that I started blogging using the name "Dr. Rusty Shackleford" as a joke. Give Dale Gribble a Ph.D. and this is what you get. Only recently have I begun to realize how much faith people put in that "Dr." aspect of my fictional name. Ultimately, the validity of this blog rests not on my education level or my professional activitiy, but on the quality of the posts and the facts or theories presented therein.
I don't post on my academic area of expertise for the very same reason Chomsky does not lecture outside of MIT on his: I know the difference between peer reviewed theories put under academic scrutiny and theories about world politics driven by my ideology. Hopefully, the latter--my opinions about the war on terror--are accurate. What they definitely are not, though, are rigorously thought out analysis in the same manner as my academic work is. None of my posts--as far as I can tell--has ever produced a hypothesis that any one -- as far as I can tell -- has tested.
So, to fellow bloggers in academia remember what your blog is and what it is not. It is a place to post random thoughts and observations. It is a place to stroke your own ego. It is a place to editorialize. It is a place to say inane, meaningless, and occasionally offensive things. It is a place where on a rare occasion you might just get an important point across. However, it is not a place to further your academic career nor is it a place that your credentials have any meaning.
Blogs are the great levellers of our day. Whether auto-mechanic or nuclear physicist, the opinions of both are of equal importance in the blogosphere. Blogs have made Chomskys of us all. And that, believe it or not, is a good thing.
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Wait a minute...you're not a REAL doctor? That explains why the prescription you wrote for me was rejected by the pharmacist.
AND....
Rusty Shackleford is not your real name? I am shocked. Shocked I tell you :-)
Good points, good doctor...errrr....you know what I mean....
I do the same with my real job and my blog. I purposely do not write about things that happen in my city or with my local government. Why? I work for the city in which I live.
Posted by: WunderKraut at October 26, 2005 12:17 PM (7YBmf)
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And that's why I don't blog much about computers anymore; it's my area of expertise. Instead, I blog about homeland stupidity, and Republican or Democrat, there's a whole lot of it.
Posted by: IO ERROR at October 26, 2005 12:21 PM (vhWf1)
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My motorcyclist "Squid-hunter" friends called me
Professor Housewrecker, after a poorly managed wheelie almost put me through the front window of another guy's house... So I'm not touting my wheelie credentials anymore.
Chomsky's linguistic-gymnastics are disdained and under considerable refutation by many members of the Professioriat who actually
study language, language acquisition, and linguistics.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at October 26, 2005 12:50 PM (T85lV)
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Don't suppose for one minute that Chumpsky's field of study has nothing to do with his politics. Quite the contrary, Marxist dialiectics are the bastard stepfather of the modern field of linguistics.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 02:17 PM (0yYS2)
Posted by: Howie at October 26, 2005 03:56 PM (D3+20)
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I love getting butt fucked by a big, juicy dick. But not nigger dick. I have hired Jeff Gannon, the canon manon, for the whole weekend. My anus is quivering in anticipation.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 05:42 PM (qBGkb)
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 26, 2005 07:07 PM (rUyw4)
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I think Jeff "Big Gay, (the bad kind), Porn C*ck" Gannon is probably the only gay guy that liberals hate. Ah greg, you missed your calling boy.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 07:39 PM (0yYS2)
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I suppose someone hijacked Maximus's handle for the Ganon post...haha. Tell me this guys: Have any one of you seen a "Chumpsky" film or read one of his books? Regardless of his politics, he's a fucking genius and I'd love to see anyone prove otherwise....in another dialect from 3000 years ago.
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This is my first visit to this website. I disagree with the politics here, but am amazed at how ill-informed the admittedly fake doctor is. Name Chomsky's linguistic theory? Ok. Generative grammar. Chomsky doesn't lecture outside of MIT on linguistics? Uh, actually, he does. Chomsky is regarded as the father of modern linguistics; his role in the field is analogous to that of Einstein to physics. He's also, for some, the father of cognitive science, a leading figure in mathematical theory (recursive function theory, in particular), and has shifted paradigmns in philosophy and psychology as well. Have a look at Wikipedia to find out if any of this is true. You'll read such remarks as, "Chomsky is credited with the creation of the theory of generative grammar, often considered the most significant contribution to the field of theoretical linguistics of the 20th century. He also helped spark the cognitive revolution in psychology through his review of B. F. Skinner's Verbal Behavior, which challenged the behaviorist approach to the study of mind and language dominant in the 1950s. His naturalistic approach to the study of language has also impacted the philosophy of language and mind (see Harman, Fodor). He is also credited with the establishment of the so-called Chomsky hierarchy, a classification of formal languages in terms of their generative power" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomsky).
Apparently our fake doctor gets his facts about Chomsky's intellectual contributions from the same sources from which he gets his facts about the war on terror. His own imagination.
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Iran says, “Israel, Wipe Them Out”
IranÂ’s new President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has dropped the Mr. Nice guy lately.
Yahoo News: Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury, any (Islamic leader) who recognizes the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world," Ahmadinejad said. Ahmadinejad also repeated the words of the founder of Iran's Islamic revolution, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who called for the destruction of Israel. "As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, who came to power in August.
So Mr. Ahmadinejad just how do you propose to do that with all peaceful nuclear technology you are working on that you just transferred to your military? The radical shift in Iran shows how much pressure having two democratic states on their borders added to the domestic cry for freedom is having. They must paint everyone as an enemy of Iran and create a struggle to maintain enough support to stop freedom. Current political problems in the US have left an opening for other nations to pour on pressure. Several have been taking advantage this week including Canada on timber and NAFTA.
Others : Captains Quarters and Jihad Watch.
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It may already be too late to act.
if anyone doesn't think the attention will turn from "little Satan" to "big Satan" as soon as a inter-continental deliverable warhead is assembled, they're fooling themself.
I also saw an article in another person's blog that they may have already tested a EMP weapon.
Posted by: dave at October 26, 2005 11:12 AM (CcXvt)
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The Israel Firsters are acting like this is a shocking development, and cause for immediate invasion, but considering how Israel has behaved towards its neighbors I find Iran's statements to be merely letting off steam and certainly no worse than the equivilent statements from Israel we have heard over the years.
1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001
2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.
7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969
8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.
9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."
11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.
15. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.
20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant.
tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.
21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.
23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
25. "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).
26. "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).
27. "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920)
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at October 26, 2005 12:01 PM (qBGkb)
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Speaking of Iran...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051026/ts_nm/iran_alqaeda_dc
By the way, the lumber dispute has been brewing for years. There's no "taking advantage" going on. Rice just happens to be visiting at the same time.
Posted by: Venom at October 26, 2005 12:34 PM (dbxVM)
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That's not what a canadian official said on NPR yesterday. Where is that (rummage rummage)
Posted by: Howie at October 26, 2005 12:43 PM (D3+20)
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Maybe all the antiwar activists should go to iran and urge them to sit around smoke dope and have a love in maybe they will end up with the heads off
Posted by: sandpiper at October 26, 2005 01:40 PM (U+eLg)
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Hey greg, why don't you head on over to stormfront.org, you'd fit right in there with all the other Joooooo-haters.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 02:19 PM (0yYS2)
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Greg,
If you want to make a point, ok, but drop all the cut and paste. No one has the time to read all that crap. Just make your point, argue on its merits, and see if anyone agrees or disagrees.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 26, 2005 03:31 PM (rUyw4)
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Howie, are you sure? The Iranian article you quote said the Iranian president made those comments "Wednesday," as in today. You're saying that the Canadian official made comments on NPR yesterday. So, how could he make comments to "take advantage" of the Iranian presidents comments, when they hadn't even been said yet?
Despite how this might read, I'm not trying to be an asshole. I'm just saying, like before, I highly doubt Canada is using the Iranian president's comments to "take advantage" of anything. Condi was in town, that's why they're bringing it up with her.
Posted by: Venom at October 26, 2005 04:09 PM (dbxVM)
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Sorry if you misunderstood me. I went over there and rummaged around. Crap. It's quite Ok Venom Good point. However I did hear a Canadian official say they thought they could get a better deal with the US than they could have otherwise with all the other stuff going on. Not taking advantage so to speak but they thought that the time was right to push the US. It got me to thinking about all the distractions with the Plame case Delay so on and so forth. I wonder how many other countries see that and think now is the time we can get away with stuff. Just a thought I had. If you don't agree thats fine. I felt we should consider that maybe we might get all distracted with some issues that while not totally bunk could take away from either the will or the time to effectively deal with bigger issues. I had never thought that another country would consider our internal problems as on opportunity to get a better deal or maybe a good time to get away with stuff. Seemed logical though with a weakened adminstation and a ruling party thats at odds with itelf so I wanted to put that out there for thought. Not so much that one was related to the other but maybe many countries see a crack in our armor due to domsetic squabbles. Like I said it was a new idea to me so I just tossed it in there.
Posted by: Howie at October 26, 2005 04:25 PM (xqi1g)
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I have an arrangement with the local Mohel. The
Mohel saves the tissue collected during Bris for me. A big steamy bowl of circum-tips cooked menudo style, Yum, Yum! It's my favorite meal!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 05:31 PM (qBGkb)
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The best thing about diddling little boys is that once they've been assraped, they grow up to be liberals.
Posted by: greg at October 26, 2005 07:36 PM (0yYS2)
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Actually, I intended to do a serious comment, but I'm laughing too hard. I got to go get a napkin and clean the computer screen.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 26, 2005 08:13 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: Howie at October 26, 2005 08:38 PM (D3+20)
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I wondered where all them damn liberals came from. Thanks for the info, Greg?
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 26, 2005 09:56 PM (rUyw4)
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Actually I was wrong, the best part about cornholing little boys is that it brings back so many fond childhood memories when my uncle would take me fishing. At least I think we were fishing, he always talked about my worm and his rod.
Posted by: greg at October 26, 2005 11:29 PM (0yYS2)
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It is dam right true that the Jews stole the land from the palastians with the help of the UN and America. It were first the British that were protecting the Jews. Then came WWII and their support shifted more to the Arabs for the need of oil against the Germans. In 1947 all that changed back. America was one of the first to recognize Israel as the first country without officially having any borders. The Arabs were furious. Then came the six-day war, unfortunately for the Arabs and the rest of the world they lost!
And up to this day they keep the world hostile!
Greedy Jews and stupid Arabs!
Posted by: Dan at October 27, 2005 02:10 AM (9lOIm)
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Gee, Dan, that was a real gem you came up with there. Does Adolph ring a bell? Just curious.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 27, 2005 10:16 AM (rUyw4)
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I M: Please don't send Greg to stormfront. Those boys are allready riled up enough.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 27, 2005 12:25 PM (M7kiy)
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Hi Jesus,
How is it hanging?
I just lay it out how the Arab world is looking at it. And they have a point.
I am calling the Arabs stupid for not recognizing the Jews by realizing that they have their history in Palestinia to (or maybe not. depends how well you can dig in it's history to make any solid comment if Abraham didn't make an geologically mistake!). And I am calling the Jews Greedy for taking the opportunity to take more land and enslave the Palestinians until they all wiped out. Hey! Why donÂ’t you give a Adolph ring! He probably has some tips for speeding up the process!!!
Dan
Posted by: Dan at October 27, 2005 12:43 PM (9lOIm)
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Quothe Dan:
"It is dam right true that the Jews stole the land from the palastians with the help of the UN and America."
The Jews bought and paid for land that was deeded, and simply occupied land that wasn't deeded. It is a univeral common law that undeeded land is open to settlement.
"It were first the British that were protecting the Jews."
Wrong again. There was actually a strong anti-Jewish current in British society and government.
"Then came WWII and their support shifted more to the Arabs for the need of oil against the Germans."
The British had been in an alliance with the Arabs since WWI. Remember Lawrence of Arabia?
"In 1947 all that changed back. America was one of the first to recognize Israel as the first country without officially having any borders. The Arabs were furious."
Why were the Arabs furious?
"Then came the six-day war, unfortunately for the Arabs and the rest of the world they lost!"
Then they shouldn't have started it, should they?
"And up to this day they keep the world hostile!"
The sole talent the Arabs possess is to foment trouble.
"Greedy Jews and stupid Arabs!"
If the Jews were so greedy, why didn't they try to take the oil fields when they had the chance? They've only won three wars, defensive war, mind you, against the Arabs, and they could have taken Jordan and parts of Saudi Arabia easily, but they didn't. Go back to Stormfront and continue your fascist circlejerk there.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2005 03:01 PM (0yYS2)
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Never heard of Stormfront?
Why is it that every time when you have critique about what is happening in the promised land (ahum!) they make you out for a racist? I have some idea why they do this, it is an easy way to change the subject and putt the other in the defensive. DoesnÂ’t work on me!
But why would you say that, if the Jews are treating the Palestinians as second-rate people.
The fact is that everything that is going on in the Promised Land had an affect on 9/11 – 7/11 – van Gogh – Madrid – Indonesia!
You have to give back the land you stole and that includes Jerusalem!
Anyway, as we speak Iran is playing political hardball by pointing his finger at the problem. Lets see where this is going.
From the land of the windmills
Dan
Posted by: Dan at October 28, 2005 02:55 AM (9lOIm)
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Dan,
Looks like it will soon be the land of the burqa if most people think the way you do.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 28, 2005 05:18 AM (rUyw4)
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Ha ha,
Don't worry that will wear off eventually!
Dan
Posted by: Dan at October 28, 2005 08:14 AM (9lOIm)
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Dan,
I don't mean any disrespect, but the radical Muslims(including OBL) say that the driving force behind their movement is to reintroduce the Caliphate. Whether they think that the Caliphate may be in a better position to destroy Israel is a logical conclusion, but the Islamists have complaints that predate the birth of the nation of Israel.
The Sunnis want the Caliphate to recapture all the land that was lost to Christian Europe(Spain and much of the Balkans and the old Soviet Union) after it had been conquered by Muslim invaders from 670 through 1700.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 28, 2005 04:21 PM (rUyw4)
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Those radical Muslims are a total different story to me! I know that they dream of the “green land” And their way of an ideal world just horrors me.
I just like to make a point about Israel, in my opinion they pushing the envelope in gaining more territory, and in doing so giving exactly those radicals fuel to rise up even more. It is that Israel is trying to gain more land and nobody is calling them back strongly enough, that means the US and the European union. That is what angers the Muslims! And I can understand that!
Dan
Posted by: Dan at October 28, 2005 08:20 PM (9lOIm)
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Islamic Army in Iraq New Video
This week on Infovlad
a new and
old video were posted from Islamic Army in Iraq. So what is the big deal? IÂ’ll tell you, the new video lacked a header, singing voices and all the other post production details and fancy bells and whistles. Also after Al-Qaeda announced a weekly news program they have failed to deliver the goods. Add to that the capture of their
main webmaster and you see why. See itÂ’s not so much the machines but the people to run them as well.
Then terrorists attacked the Palestine hotel attempting to capture journalists or possibly take the building for a 1970's Olympics style operation. They failed, while they killed some people the IraqiÂ’s and Americans they had much bigger plans. Also think about the not so obvious targets there equipment, producers and technicians. So while they are bound to pop up the 2 month drought combined with the low quality release make this Jawa feel pretty good.
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It seems like Air America and Air Al-Qaeda have something in common -- the inability to produce a consistently professional product.
Posted by: Mike at October 26, 2005 09:07 AM (ywZa8)
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Seems they figured out what we already knew - virtually all the "journalists and reporters" in Iraq are holed up in that one location and "phoning in" their material from that location according to their own personal agenda and biases.
the MSM attitude is actually kinda strange. They are opposed to US policy/operations - but also terrified of the enemy and what they stand for.
I'm not going to shed any tears over dead MSM in theater. I have absolutely no respect for them. They save and direct their biases and attacks at the US & military
for several reasons but the single most important (unspoken) is that the US is the ultimate "safe" target.
What a collection of gutless asses. In the old days the lefty media would at least have some balls and be out there in the street and desert seeking out the enemy to interview and glorify. Now the enemy scares the crap out of them so they hide and vent against the US - to convince themselves they have a pair.
Posted by: hondo at October 26, 2005 09:31 AM (ymtSt)
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Why would AL QUEDA want to capture journalists if these journalists work for the New York Times they will have their biggist allies
Posted by: sandpiper at October 26, 2005 09:44 AM (0Wk0b)
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It was done to send a message to the MSM, and the message was "get with the program". Apparently, the MSM has noticed that they've been losing market share by their blatant anti-Americanism and some have tried to straighten up a little bit, and now they're being punished for it by their ideological brothers. Like hondo said, I have no sympathy for these ghouls, because they want soldiers and innocent civilians to die so they can have something grisly to report, because schools and hospitals opening don't make very good reporting.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 10:41 AM (0yYS2)
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Perhaps the MSM has lost market share because they are a propaganda instrument for the Bushian War Cult, as described by Collin Baber.
Americans know they've been lied into war and they're not happy about it.
Thank God for a relatively free internet, although it is monitored (Fuck You Mr. G Man, better build bigger concentration camps, there's too many of us for ya ).
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at October 26, 2005 06:12 PM (qBGkb)
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lol "monitored internet" what a conspiracy freak.
Posted by: dave at October 26, 2005 06:27 PM (CcXvt)
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bet the ghost is still in a funk WWIII didn't happen - damn that Reagan! Oh - at the moment no one is monitoring your internet 'cause they're busy blowing up levees and running around in circles real fast to fire up the hurricane machine.
Posted by: hondo at October 26, 2005 06:30 PM (ymtSt)
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Dave:"lol "monitored internet" what a conspiracy freak"
We know they're doing it in Britain. Typically, intelligence agencies act and then get the legislation passed, if possible.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/freespeech/article/0,2763,331533,00.html
"This would enable the intelligence authorities to monitor the pattern (though not the content) of all our emails and internet habits and chat room visits - who we send emails to and which web sites we visit."
Closer to home...
"GEWIS (pronounced, Jewess) has proven a tough sell for some ISPs, in part because of the way the government initially pitched its request for data. NCS first asked about the possibility of receiving live feeds from ISPs, with few restrictions on the amount or scope of data requested, according to several providers.
"We were led to believe that some contractors [working on GEWIS] may have gotten a little over-enthusiastic about what kinds of information they could get," said Stewart Baker, a former deputy director for the National Security Agency, and currently an attorney representing several ISPs. "Exactly what will be pulled together by GEWIS and what will be the role of companies asked to participate is all still up in the air."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A3409-2003Jan30
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at October 26, 2005 07:04 PM (qBGkb)
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Hondo, are you referring to the old Chinese Hurricane and Earthquake Machine? This is top secret, not for publication. And please don't divulge the new Bush/Chaney/Rove/Libby model H&E. We have some fine tuning to do, as it is working too damn good. We must figure out a way to tamp them earthquakes and hurricanes down just a smidgen. We're working on it, so stay tuned for updates.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 26, 2005 07:27 PM (rUyw4)
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Greg,
I'm much more concerned about the stifling of political speech by the so-called campaign finance reform laws. What is your take on that, Greg?
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 26, 2005 07:36 PM (rUyw4)
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I consult for an internet service provider, and we've always wondered what that rackmounted black box marked "C.I.A Sniffer: Official Use Only" did with the two G-BIC interfaces tied to the edge router.
no seriously
Posted by: dave at October 26, 2005 07:45 PM (CcXvt)
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Jesusland joe
My lips are sealed - Oh by the way - I had an earlier model of the hurricane machine myself but divorced her some years back - just never could figure out control, but I admit - playing with the knobs and buttons was fun.
Posted by: hondo at October 26, 2005 08:52 PM (ymtSt)
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WTW Cube Farm Living at Ground Zero.
A while back I told you about having to make our cubicles all neat and stuff. I had to take down the tower of stupidity. I gave some big speech how it was going back up. Well there have been some problems. First the tower was deconstructed leaving a large empty area in my cube. The teenage mutant frogs and the lizards were in charge of grounds keeping and damaged two philodendrons. While I’m nursing them back to health Aussie decides to put his apple core in there for fun. Killed them suckers dead. Then Quailman and Johnny Bravo who were in charge of the redesign and construction can’t decide how many spires go on top or if the base is protected against flying “yogurt lid of death” projectiles. This has resulted in weeks of delay and haggling, meanwhile the
empty spot just sits there. Roy looks so lonely up there on his magnet without characters in the Tower of Stupidity to keep him company. It just doesnÂ’t feel right. On other news Jack Frost visited Bumfuct Egypt for the first time day a full 10 days late. I siphoned off a fifth of that home made wine last weekend. Had to be tested you know. Good stuff, IÂ’ll bottle err uh plastic jug that this weekend.
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Howie, I is but a young feller but ah do in fact reckumize that there little yella circle doomaflatchit y'all got hangin' on the wall there next to yer playpretties. In point o fact I have used that sucker on a job. But ah wonders whether any of the other smarty-pants Jawa-types can tell us what it's fer?
(Hint: It ain't fer castratin' calves. Leastways it wadn't designed for castratin' calves.)
Posted by: See-Dubya at October 26, 2005 12:16 PM (1CKzL)
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Ah yes it is a mysterious little object. We have one unit that still uses those for whatever it's used for. Used to have a whole row of em.
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Wal-Mart Attacked
In an effort to reduce employee health care costs and enhance profitability, a
memo recommending the hiring of more part-time workers and discouraging the hiring of unhealthy people was drafted for submittal to the Wal-Mart Board of Directors. In draft form, the memo was intercepted and anonymously sent to
Wal-Mart Watch, a union-backed activist group, which claims that a 'secret memo' was uncovered. On the other hand, it appears that Wal-Mart just considered the memo to be an internal document which was freely released in updated form when it was asked for.
Nonetheless, the union-backed team at Wal-Mart Watch is attempting to demonize Wal-Mart in its seemingly reasonable attempt to develop ideas and methods to reduce health care costs. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see anything wrong with part-time workers or discouraging the hiring of unhealthy workers. Nor do I see anything wrong with trying to enhance profitability.
Without scrutinizing the Wal-Mart memo, it's impossible to determine the reasonableness of the proposed changes. On the surface, it appears to reflect nothing more than a day in the operation and administration of a business. Unfortunately, and I've witnessed it already, the mainstream media have been characterizing the memo as an indication of a sinister and evil conspiracy to discriminate and subjugate.
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You have never lived in a small town where Wal-Mart moves in and runs all the retail off. I am legally blind. I worry that I would not be welcome in the world where Wal-Mart picks and chooses people based on health care cost. My wife as asthma. She would also not be welcome I bet. I hope you and your family never have to deal with health problems. If you do, remember, Wal-Mart doesn't want you. What employer is next?
Me
Posted by: Kelly at October 26, 2005 06:55 AM (Dv2l6)
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Mike,
The link "Just me" points to http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/<a href=
obviously 404.
Posted by: dave at October 26, 2005 08:16 AM (CcXvt)
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Clearly reading comprehension is old skool. The memo was not "freely" distributed. The memo was distributed when it was specifically asked for. Really though that is not what's important in this article. Let me point them out for you.
... 46 percent of the children of Wal-Mart's 1.33 million United States employees were uninsured or on Medicaid
These are gainfully employed contributing members of society. Does this not phase you in the least? These aren't people who just sit around waiting for the government. They are trying to do something.
cutting 401(k) contributions to 3 percent of wages from 4 percent ...
I think we all know there is something not right with social security. This should at least raise an eyebrow - at least one.
Her memo stated that 5 percent of Wal-Mart's workers were on Medicaid,...
On the flip side you have states like Ms and Fl axing benefits to these people who of all things ... are working. Lets discourage them a little more.
This is an article, not about some labor union thing, this is an article about the largest retailer in the United States struggling with health care costs that are rising at 15% a year! This is an inside view of the types of descisions that go on - this is business 101.
Posted by: David at October 26, 2005 08:54 AM (3fsXw)
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Kelly - I'm not unsympathetic to your situation, however, I sense that your attitude towards Wal-Mart was solidified prior to the latest memo. My contention is that Wal-Mart isn't doing anything that another company wouldn't do. Wal-Mart is unfairly demonized because it's non-union.
Dave - Thanks.
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Posted by: IO ERROR at October 26, 2005 09:12 AM (vhWf1)
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Unions are full of coruption why dont we have a union watch to take adeep look at what the unions are doing especialy the ALF/CIO and the TEAMSTERS
Posted by: sandpiper at October 26, 2005 09:49 AM (0Wk0b)
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my Father-in-law told me that a turbine engine that took 7 hours to strip down in their Texas plant (Non-Union) took 5 workdays in the California plant (Union)
He said their work was constantly interrupted because they could not carry parts to an X-ray machine, or measuring machines because the Union manager would insist that another plant worker would have to pick up the parts, and take it to their destination for them, when my Father-in-law said he would do it himself, the Union manager would repeat the same mantra:
This is union here Buddy, you're taking another mans job
He said that was the last time he volunteered to go out there to help do an engine breakdown, and that shortly after that the company opened another plant in Mexico where it was cheaper for them to do repairs.
No wonder some companies choose to outsource.
Posted by: dave at October 26, 2005 10:25 AM (CcXvt)
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While I have no love for unions, who have almost single-handedly destroyed American industry, (as per Marx's plan), I cannot take sides with Wal-Mart, whose employees are only slighty better treated than the Chinese sweatshop workers whose near-slave labor produced products they sell.
I saw Wal-Mart move into my area two decades ago and systematically turn all three towns in the county into ghost towns through their rapacious business practices. Family owned businesses that had been there for a hundred years were almost all boarded up, with the few survivors left to sell gas, beer and cigarettes. Wal-Mart is a plague upon the land, and anyone who shops there deserves to lose their job to Chinese prison labor.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 10:50 AM (0yYS2)
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Poor H. Lee Scott, send him a dollar he is paid 17.5 million dollars a year. The first thing Mr. Scott sould do is take responsibility for the memo. Fire the person who wrote the memo. and apologize to all the associates who work for this pitiful excuse for a Chineese 10 cent store. The managers and not professional just 90 day wonders with no back bone. They follow Mr. Scott like sheep.
Mr. Scott when will the company evaluat people on their abilities rather than the color of their nose. We have some people who work at Wal Mart and if the store manager would stop suddenly they would have a brown ring around their neck. Suck ups and people who take advantage are part of your waste and fat. You have rules and your management team chooses not to follow ther rules. I have heard it is in the book. The problem is everyone has a different book. Ther truth of the matter is too many chiefs and not enough Indians. But I am sorry now you probably do not want to hire native Americans. Get a grip you never are so big you can not fall. It will be a sad world when the only choice you have is to shop at Wal Mart / the modern day Ben Franklin. We are a cheap company with greedy leadership and nothing for the worker.
Take a up coming company who condsiders their people COSTCO, they provide the essentials.
Mr. Scott the days of your power will soon be over.
Let the people share in your wealth. You are putting Wal Mart in the toilet and the people you have in you management team are dragging the company and you along with them into the gutter. Associates have family friends and children. A back lash will most certainly occur.
I am sick and tired of your failure and your weak promises. Remember FEMA Sam Walton would have done the right thing. Mr. Scott you are not Sam Walton, and this is not how he would have run this company.
Call Benntonville, every day and have people tell them this is still the United States we do not treat people this way. Call congressmen, Call Senators. Email them call the local stores and talk to store managers. Call the newspapers call television call radio. Start phone grops. Together we all can show we are strong and united.
We can not let H. Lee Scott and his band of demons destroy the principles started by Sam Walton. It is not the nice place ot company he started. This company does not care all they want is blood and sweat no matter who get hurt.
Posted by: demiozkan at October 26, 2005 06:30 PM (a0mqV)
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Does anyone want to know why Wal-Mart wants to raise the minimum wage? Because it would hurt small businesses, that's why. Wally World could absorb a little extra payroll cost with ease, but most mom & pops would have to lay off or close up, thereby broadening the Evil Empire's market share. Wal-Mart should be prosecuted under the anti-trust laws, and broken up just like Ma Bell and Standard Oil.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 07:45 PM (0yYS2)
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No person, not even Bush can stop Wal-Mart. There is only one way. Don't buy there stuff and do every thing you can to help others do the same. Wal-Mart is selling America and it is going to keep doing it because you let it, every American needs to stand up and do what they can to help save our country. Wal-Mart watch is just that. People who see the evil and trying to pass the word. So to who ever owns this blog I say this. Wal-Mart watch is a way to bring people with the same views together to support the ballot boxes you talk of. And you use the idea that if you donÂ’t like it, go some where else. Well maybe you should do the same with the blog you donÂ’t like. Seems to make your whole argument pointless.
Posted by: Some dude at October 26, 2005 08:08 PM (/+zf3)
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No person, not even Bush can stop Wal-Mart. There is only one way. Don't buy there stuff and do every thing you can to help others do the same. Wal-Mart is selling America and it is going to keep doing it because you let it, every American needs to stand up and do what they can to help save our country. Wal-Mart watch is just that. People who see the evil and trying to pass the word. So to who ever owns this blog I say this. Wal-Mart watch is a way to bring people with the same views together to support the ballot boxes you talk of. And you use the idea that if you donÂ’t like it, go some where else. Well maybe you should do the same with the blog you donÂ’t like. Seems to make your whole argument pointless.
Posted by: Some dude at October 26, 2005 08:09 PM (/+zf3)
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I shop at the local "Walmart Grocery Store" which, for those whom do not have them are just like the Grocery section in the Walmart SuperStore but freestanding.
Sure they're hurting the competition here, Albertson's already closed one of their stores in our city, however they're also a large corporation and that's the nature of competition, and it's not like we have a single family owned Grocery store here anyway.
Interestingly when people complain about Walmart taking jobs and peoples livelyhood, do you feel the same way about stores with automated checkouts?
I'm not sure about most states but here Walmart, HomeDepot, Lowes, Albertsons, Target have automated scanners that you use to checkout your own merchandise, this of course save the stores about 8 checkout workers, and 1 manager per shift, many times a day, effectively replacing workers with "robots" (hah who said the 1950's campy comic books were wrong?)
This I am sure is leading us down a road to where there will eventually be hardly any people in stores, by removing customer service Corporations can increase their profit margin. For those whom think that could never happen: remember at one time in this country, you could get your gas pumped for you, someone to clear your table at a fast food resturant, and someone to bag your groceries. Now of course, you pump your own gas, take your own tray to a waste receptacle, and now you have the pleasure of not only bagging your own groceries, but checking them out yourself too.
While some people concider the above as conveniences for the lazy, they also kept a lot of people gainfully employed. When they were removed it wasn't like the savings were passed to you, but were pocketed as increased profits.
It looks like we can look forward to shopping in stores with a skeleton crew, perhaps just kept round to maintain security, and deal with paperwork and management issues. Walmart could replace the "Greeter" with a motion detection monitor of a smiling actor, welcoming you to the store as you walk in, automatically dispensed shopping carts.
They already have price scanners in the store you can check your own prices, and radiotag technology that activates inventory control in the need they're running low on an item.
They're already taking automation to the extreme (in our Walmart store carpark they have a filling station that is completely unmanned, just place your ATM/Debit/Credit card in)
It makes you wonder if stores like Walmart won't eventually consume themselves, the more jobs they destroy (including their own, by automation) they're effectively destroying the consumers who are now unemployed and cannot afford to shop there? Seeing as it's a relatively new trend, time will tell.
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 08:52 AM (CcXvt)
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I don't shop at WalMart because they only sell Chinese made products, not because of the way they treat their workers.Also, IM watch those run on sentences, punctuation is important ! Let us keep all the posts to the highest standard.
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Run-on sentences? Ever hear of clauses? That's what commas do, create clauses, so that a statement can be made, and explained, in once sentence.
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The Battle of Surigao Strait
Sixty-one years ago on this date three American destroyers,
Hoel,
Heermann and
Johnston, hurled themselves at a Japanese force of 4 battleships and 8 cruisers. Terriers attacking a wolfpack. The
Hoel and
Johnston, along with the destroyer escort
Samuel B. Roberts were sunk, but the carriers they had been protecting were saved. October 25th, 1944 was the ninetieth anniversary of the Charge of the Light Brigade.
During the Battle of Leyte Gulf (of which the Battle of Surigao Strait was a part), from 22-27 October, 1944 - six days - the United States suffered 3,000 men killed in action.
Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.
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Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at October 25, 2005 11:59 PM (RHG+K)
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We were fiercely divided before Pearl Harbor, many felt that we had been maneuvered into a war by the Roservelt-Churchill cabal. However, the country came together immediately to defeat the twin foes.f the ultra- right and nationalistic foes of Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany.
Posted by: john Ryan at October 26, 2005 12:39 AM (ads7K)
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I first read about the battle in Herman Woulk's "War and Remberance", where he brought the battle to life. As far as a know, his treatment was accurate.
Thanks for mentioning this bit of history that shows true American character.
Posted by: Pigilito at October 26, 2005 06:08 AM (EBtsC)
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And when reported in the NYT it was descrobed as a pointless failure. Nothing has changed at the MYT except Judy.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at October 26, 2005 06:16 AM (R3FcZ)
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The six DAYS of the Battle of Leyte Gulf sure puts the "grim milestone" marker of the current war in Iraq in perspective - eh?
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces
Posted by: justamomof4 at October 26, 2005 07:48 AM (7auSQ)
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The Battle of Surigao Strait is more properly thought of as the night battleship action south of Leyte Gulf, where Adm Oldendorff's battle group "crossed the T" of the Japanese Southern Force. We sank 2 Jap battleships (IIRC) and some cruisers and destroyers in what would be the last battleship-on-battleship fight. (2 of our battleships had been sunk at Pearl Harbor, and, resurrected, got some revenge.)
The heroic destroyer attack took place off Samar, on the next morning.
Posted by: John at October 26, 2005 08:09 AM (wg4FW)
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Thank you for posting this article. My grandfather, who passed away a few years ago, was a gunner's mate and plankowner of the Samuel B. Roberts. He was a hard-as-nails Navy man and one of the few survivors of the assault of the Japanese navy. If you're interested, there's a great book called "The Spirit of the Sammy B" about the battle written from the perspective of the small destroyer escort.
Posted by: Daniel Harrington at October 26, 2005 10:23 AM (TwJ9Q)
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Actually John, we were maneuvered into the war. I found it especially interesting that there was a program on the History Channel last night about exactly that subject, and they had more information, honestly and objectively presented, than I had seen before. There were numerous reports from military intelligence about the impending attack, and all were ignored so that the Japanese would strike the first blow. Pearl Harbor was sacrificed by a liberal socialist president so that we could enter the war on Russia's side.
It wasn't about saving Britain or the Jews, it was about saving Roosevelt's buddy Stalin, whom Roosevelt referred to as "good old Joe" and said that he was "misunderstood". Roosevelt, our second liberal president, after Wilson, was also the second president to get us into a global war, and like the first war and the ruinous Treaty of Versailles, after the second, the groundwork was laid for decades more of misery and conflict by Roosevelt's and Trumans capitulations to the Communists.
The times we live in now, the troubles we endure, are all products of the schemings and machinations of liberals, socialists, and so-called progressives. Liberals delenda est.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 11:00 AM (0yYS2)
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I have no problem with your overall theme Improbulus that Roosevelt maneuvered the Japanese into taking the first shot, but I do have some quibbles.
I do not believe it was obvious the Japanese were going to hit Pearl Harbor. Quite clearly intelligence knew the Japanese were up to something, knew an internal Japanese deadline had come and gone, but did not have uh what is the phrase? Actionable intelligence, that's it.
Lincoln also maneuvered the rebels to take the first shot as well.
I think Roosevelt wanted to stop Hitler more than anything else.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 26, 2005 02:25 PM (wPM7K)
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Marcus,
Right on both counts. Roosevelt was much more interested in the Germans, and in fact he was already at war with the Germans in the North Atlantic. The problem he had was that the Germans were not interested in declaring war on the United States unless Japan entered the war on the Axis side.
German submarines had already been fired upon and sunk by US combat ships, and they had basically done nothing but pontificate. The Japanese were the key to Germany declaring war on the US, and Roosevelt knew it.
This is, of course, subject to debate, but it's pretty apparent that Roosevelt was aware of a likely Japanese attack on US interests in the Pacific. Several warnings were sent out to various regional commanders in the Pacific, so obviously the Americans knew the Japanese were up to something. Many intelligence reports indicated movement of Japanese warships and troop transports.
Personally, I think Roosevelt knew an attack was imminent and did nothing to stop it. I don't think he knew it would be at Pearl Harbor, but that still does not excuse him. But he needed the Japanese to attack and get the US in the war. The German-Japanese treaty previously signed by the parties pretty much guanranteed the German entry on the side of their ally, Japan. Roosevelt had his wish, and we all know what followed. Basically, the end of the West.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 26, 2005 04:14 PM (rUyw4)
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Beware of the BUNGO STREIGHTS and the ALAKAZI
Posted by: sandpiper at October 26, 2005 08:52 PM (uPdgJ)
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We did not know for certain the nature of the Japanese aggression. Roosevelt was one of a small number of people with access to the decoded intercepts. I have always found it hard to believe that all these military men sacrified their brothers in arms for an excuse to get into the war, and all of them went to their graves without tellling the "real story". If we would have smashed the Japanese fleet the day before they attacked us America would have still gone to war and the Pacific war would have been pretty much over. If we would have alerted our Army Air Corps one hour before the attack over 50 fighters could have met the Japanese planes and we still would have gone to war. It is possible that we wanted to cover up the fact that we had broke the Japanese diplomatic code. That would have been a hard decision, but one still focused on the saving of more lives later on, at Coral Sea, Midway and other battles. From what I have read most of the cryptographers thought the Japanese would take out the over extended British and Dutch and leave us out of it, thus forcing us to be "the agressors". The messages to the Japanese diplomats, if I remember correctly, said that they were going to war, not "we are attacking Pearl Harbor". We could have handled the road to war better, but the Imperial Japanese are the ones to blame for Pearl Harbor. All they had to do was develop an alternative to imported oil and they wouldn't have needed to kill millions to get to the Indonesian oil fields. Or, maybe they could have not invaded Vietnam and then we wouldn't have cut off their oil supply.
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Drooling Banjos *Updated*
The MSM continues to monitor the body count in Iraq like some warped type of fantasy sports game.
Witness this excerpt from an Associatedantiamerican Press article concerning the Islamotard attack on the Palestine Hotel today:
But the toll among American service members killed in the Iraq war reached 1,997 with the announcement of a Marine killed Sunday during fighting in western Iraq.
Since the beginning of 2005, at least 465 vehicle bombings, including suicide car bombs and vehicles exploded by remote detonations, have killed at least 2,250 people in Iraq.
Too bad these idiots lack any sense of historical perspective, much less decency.
The following are from The Chronology Of World War Two: The Day By Day Illustrated Record 1939-1945:
Military and Civilian Casualties (Allies only)
Killed in action or died of wounds: 11, 237,793
Wounded: 4,015,536
Captured or missing: 7,391,433
Civilian deaths: 35,240,523
The U.S.A. alone:
Killed in action, or died of wounds: 292,131
Wounded: 671,801
Captured or missing: 139,709
Civilian deaths: 6,000
Yes, you read that right. More American civilians died in WWII than have died in the GWOT, which has now gone on longer than WWII, and will continue for many years.
I could care less anymore if the MSM is anti-war or pro-war, but in struggles of freedom vs. tyranny, at least they could offer some balanced perspective.
Fat chance, that.
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They got their wish, the gleeful gibbering has begun:
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The American military death toll in the Iraq war reached 2,000 Tuesday with the announcements of three more deaths, including an Army sergeant who died of wounds at a military hospital in Texas and a Marine and a sailor killed last week in fighting west of Baghdad.
The 2,000 mark was reached amid growing doubts among the American public about the Iraq conflict, launched in March 2003 to destroy Saddam Hussein's alleged weapons of mass destruction. None was ever found.
The media is doing its level best to demoralize this nation by ruthlessly tallying up the number of dead. They know that the historical knowledge of the average citizen is woefully inadequate. They feed on it, in an attempt to convince them that this war is Vietnam The Sequel.
Therein lies their folly. By assuming that you and me are too stupid to make any connection to the past, they beat the drum of despair.
They shriek 2000 dead!!!! For nothing!!!!!! No WMD!!!!!
Germany, Italy, Japan, Bulgaria, Finland, Hungary, and Romania had no WMD, either, yet this country sacrificed 292,000 of its best and its brightest to defeat the Axis.
If the media is going to use the same tactics in this war that they used to help turn public opinion against the Vietnam war, by magnifying the bad while ignoring the good, then I believe it's up to us bloggers to use history in order to provide some balance to this misinformation.
This post was not about numbers, it was not about "playing bingo" with the dead. I did this post to provide a historical perspective as to what this country was once willing to pay in order to secure its freedom and continued existence. Without that perspective, we run the risk of letting the propagandists of the other side form the picture in people's minds of what this war is about.
And it is more than apt to compare this conflict with WWII. Islamofascism and Nazism are nearly identical in their respective quests. It's even apt to compare this conflict with Vietnam, given that both are rife with spectacular Allied military victories that are twisted and spun to make them seem like defeat.
We owe our knowledge of the truth about Vietnam to diligent historians. Militarily, the United States crushed the enemy. North Vietnam suffered over 1 million casualties in that war. That truth wasn't consumed by the pubic at the time, they ended up demoralized, and were unwilling to see the victory through to the end.
We no longer have the luxury of time, my friends. History needs to be written now, in the face of this hostile media, a political party that no longer stops playing at the waters edge, and a public that consumes it's news in 30 second sound bites.
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Vinnie has it right here...the MSM are just all way too stupid to know there US military history....like this one....during the 1944 Battle of the Bulge which started December 16th and lasted till after Christmas.....aprox a 3 week period....The American forces alone suffered 19,000 causulties.....19,000....in 3 weeks, thats right to all those leftist retard trolls who stop in here......and not even 2,000 yet in how long in Iraq????.....whats that???....2+YEARS!!???!!!......Do you leftists know how many Stalins forces suffered in the assualt on Berlin in 1945???....over HALF A MILLION...did anyone stop their battle with the German army???....NOPE....and no way in hell will America stop in freeing the Iraqi people from the Islamic TERRORISTS...You{leftists, the enemy loving MSM, and the Islamic idiots} can all go to youre well deserved destination....HELL AWAITS
Posted by: THANOS35 at October 25, 2005 12:31 AM (IgomX)
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http://www.antiwar.com/orig/berga.php?articleid=7081
Posted by: Route Irish at October 25, 2005 02:32 AM (Eh9tH)
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Because I am a prejudiced exJarhead I prefer Iwo Jima. We lost more than this in one day! I should also point out theat the NYT was up in arms about it in 1944. Read their articles in 1944 and 1945 and you will see thay have not changed much in 60 years. They are way ahead of AP in America hatred; they started bashing America in 1920. But they loved the Bolsheviks.
Suribachi rules.
an old exJarhead
Posted by: Rod Stanton at October 25, 2005 06:20 AM (R3FcZ)
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Unfortunately comparing bodybag count from one war to the next, is falling directly into the game they want you to play.
Irrespective of the validity of your point, even if the count was twenty people it is a large price to pay.
Two thousand families lives will be changed forever, Husbands, Wives, Fathers, Mothers, Brothers and sisters will never be coming back, forget the numbers game large or small.
The question we have to ask is who is making their sacrifice less? the ones who continually count the numbers, and use those figures to warrant a complete pull-out leaving Iraqi's to be killed by the terrorists in their midst, not only undermining the mission the soldiers died for, but stealing the honor of those who died to complete it.
The point is, 2,000 or 2 dead soldiers we should make sure their sacrifice wasn't in vain.
Posted by: dave at October 25, 2005 07:27 AM (CcXvt)
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Dave's got it right. A sacrifice is a sacrifice, regardless of the relative size of other sacrifices that may have predated it. You're just obscuring the issue by bringing up WWII.
Posted by: Fargus at October 25, 2005 08:00 AM (ts0WI)
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perhaps dave is right, but back during WWII there were rules to be followed that the press had to follow....there reports were looked over for any sensitive material and censored if needed....no dead American GI's were allowed to be shown in pictutes to the American public....sure dead enemy soldiers were fine but no GI's and thats fine and is how it should be....if the press tried all the crap they do now , their offices would have been raided by the FBI and all those enemy supporting reporters,photographers and editors would have faced charges of treason....they may have been allowed some lenency but not what they absuse these days and its ridiculuos what the press LIES and TWISTS about....ive never seen such horrible "reporting" if you can even call it that anymore...its more like some fantasy and science fiction reports....at least back during WWII the reporters and photographers went right into the action with the GI's and could face capture and death...these days the majority of them hide back at the hotels and get "reports" and the "facts" from the enemy terrorists and their supporters....look at what Walter Cronkite and Ernie Pyle did during WWII....they went right up to the front lines, not hide in some chauteu back in Paris during the entire war and make up reports or recieve propaganda from Hitler and use that as the truth......its very sad and sickening what the press does now....they shouldnt be allowed to hide behind the freedom of the press when what they report are either totally made up stories or ones that support the terrorists....traitors all....they should be shot when its so obvious they have lied that a blind man could tell that its a lie.....thats why i hardly even look at the papers anymore...i get my news here online where i can cross reference stories and the idiots at the MSM dont seem to know that we have that power now...dont they ever learn???
Posted by: THANOS35 at October 25, 2005 09:12 AM (IgomX)
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All durring WWII the MSM did report on the critics of the Democratic Regime. The Repunlicans were quite vociferous on what they saw as being wromg including both waste, misguided strategies, and high body counts.The reason our country is the best is because of dissent, not in spite of it. Being against moonbat dissent is unAmerican.
Posted by: john Ryan at October 25, 2005 09:21 AM (ads7K)
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I have to agree with Dave. As long as we make such comparisons they'll keep comparing this war as well to Vietnam, WWII and others. This war has it's own context which should never be confused with any other. It is unique. Counting the dead should only be applied to the enemy. And the MSM will never do that. It would look like we're winning.
I had plenty to say about
the anti-war link above too.
Posted by: Oyster at October 25, 2005 09:27 AM (fl6E1)
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Okay, so let me get this straight. Dissent is pro-American, but being against it is un-American. I'm sorry, but that cannot be said in such general terms and be taken seriously.
Posted by: Oyster at October 25, 2005 09:31 AM (fl6E1)
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How dare you use facts, numbers, and logic, you zionist pig!!! Don't you know that's racist? BTW, I love how these idiot liberals pop in, excrete a link to a propaganda site that even a Kommisar couldn't believe, and disappear. Hey libtards, why don't you state your position and frame a logical argument? Oh, sorry, I forgot, libtards are incapable of logic, or even coherent strings of cognitivity. That, and the fact that the use of logic has been deemed officially racist.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 25, 2005 10:05 AM (0yYS2)
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We have no media. The only thing left is a bunch of silly prats playing a stupid game. They have sided with the enemy, therefore they are now the enemy.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 25, 2005 10:13 AM (rUyw4)
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I don't have time to do an update right now, but some of you seemed to have missed the point of this post.
Posted by: Vinnie at October 25, 2005 10:29 AM (Kr6/f)
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i get it Vinnie...i know all that the US and British armed forces have done for the Iraqi citizens.....built new schools, power stations, water supplies, food supplies....i know that and yet the MSM REFUSES to even mention it...its all BAD BADA BAD according to the scums in the liberal,leftists media and i for one am sick of it and dont get newspapers anymore...they arent getting my money so they can carry on with their disgustiong agenda of destroying America and either killing us all or enslaving us all...the MSM and the Islamicretards are all in bed with each other in one huge orgy of death and destruction
Posted by: THANOS35 at October 25, 2005 10:39 AM (IgomX)
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Vinnie:
I don't believe I missed the point of the post, indeed it is all too clear, I even said that the premise is correct, however the amount of soldiers killed "bingo" you're playing right now, only enforces the lefts opinion, it doesn't crumble it. Indeed they're using grim figures to justify an opinion. I'd rather not play the game.
Posted by: dave at October 25, 2005 11:12 AM (CcXvt)
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Go Dave!
Right on! Also note - we are not repeating the mistake of the past with the stupid obsession with enemy "body counts". The MSM hates this new approach.
Posted by: hondo at October 25, 2005 01:08 PM (ymtSt)
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Let me think about that, dave.
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Nope, wrong again.
Posted by: Vinnie at October 25, 2005 02:17 PM (Kr6/f)
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Sorry John, you're dead wrong. Dissent isn't necessarily patriotic. Giving aid and comfort to the enemy isn't dissent, it's treason. Arguing about the best way to crush the enemy is dissent, but arguing against crushing the enemy is treason. See the logic? I, for example, don't agree with most of Bush's policies, but he's the man we elected to do the damned job, not Hanoi John or any other traitor, so you need to just get over it.
The fact is that liberals want America to lose. They love to see dead Americans on television because they think it legitimizes their opposition to Bush and all his policies, opposition which is founded in nothing more than hatred and a burning desire to avenge Clinton. Liberals should all be killed, because treason is the most unforgivable of crimes, and treason lives in the heart of every liberal.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 25, 2005 04:18 PM (0yYS2)
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Just another day. A cheap excuse to make a story.
Posted by: Howie at October 25, 2005 09:24 PM (D3+20)
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Dave,
The point is that it's not the Soldiers, Sailors, and Marines complaining. It's an ignorant segment of the US population (distinct from the treasonous element who seek political gain by sabotaging the war effort). They require education. Vinnie is providing it.
By the logic of the anti-war crowd, we should not have declared war on Germany and Italy after Pearl Harbor, and every man who died in Europe "died for nothing".
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at October 25, 2005 09:44 PM (RHG+K)
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Bluto, perhaps you read a different article than me, because the one I read this morning only stood to compare a grisly bodybag count?
As I said, I do not disagree with the point Vinnie made, however rationalizing dead vs. dead is not exactly productive, indeed "only" eighteen American soldiers died in Mogadishu, were they somehow less of a sacrifice?
To focus on the Leftist celebration of the 2000 "Grim Milestone" and then turn round and say "Well in WII more than that died in one day" is that a better rational?
My point is, it's a better argument to make that we should stay the course in the relevation of two-thousand soldiers deaths, pulling out would not only make their deaths pointless, but abandon Iraqi's to the terrorists, to make their bloodsick caliphate.
However, if you like i the other opinion, then that's fine too, thats why we're expressing our own ideas.
Posted by: dave at October 25, 2005 10:59 PM (CcXvt)
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Dave, yet again you fail to see the point. Even after I spent considerable time elaborating on it in the updated portion.
It's not a grisly bodybag comparison, dave, it's an effort to provide some perspective to what the media is portraying to those whose interest in the subject is tenuous at best.
Dave, it's the media who are rationalizing dead vs. dead. They are the ones screaming "quagmire!!!" And they're doing their best to make this war seem irrational, just as with 'Nam.
Don't give me that Mogadishu shit, dave, really. "Are they less of a sacrifice?" Why don't you ask Clinton, obviously, by not bringing the might of the United States to bear on Somalia, he thought they were, but you bringing it up is utterly irrelevant to this post.
"My point is, it's a better argument to make that we should stay the course in the relevation of two-thousand soldiers deaths, pulling out would not only make their deaths pointless, but abandon Iraqi's to the terrorists, to make their bloodsick caliphate."
So tell me, dave, how do you make your point? From what basis does your argument evolve? Do you just say, "yeah, we have 2000 killed, but we need to stay the course." Why? Why do we need to stay the course, dave? What's in it for us, dave? Hm? We don't live in Iraq, what's the point of our kids dying there? Who gives a shit if Iraq lives under a bloodsick [sic] caliphate? What does a free Iraq give us in return? Why bother?
There is a cost to war, dave, and if we want this country to remain convinced that the cost is worth it, we would do well to remind ourselves of the costs that we have paid previously.
You dishonor the sacrifices of these men and women, dave, by failing to honor their place in history. For you, it's a grisly bodybag comparison. You cheapen their deaths with your hyper-emotionalism.
Go back to school, dave, and learn your history, then maybe you'll be able to honor the dead properly, not by knee jerk reaction, but by viewing their sacrifice with the honor and dignity that it deserves, and with respect to those sacrificed before them.
And if you still don't get it, I would suggest you apply for a job as an AP reporter.
Posted by: Vinnie at October 26, 2005 12:04 AM (Kr6/f)
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Vinnie:
Did you work out the media is biased all on your own? congratulations -- perhaps we should nominate you for a Pulitzer, or at the very least a medal for spotting-the-bleeding-obvious.
The MSM continues to monitor the body count in Iraq like some warped type of fantasy sports game.
Yes, you read that right. More American civilians died in WWII than have died in the GWOT, which has now gone on longer than WWII, and will continue for many years.
Which one of your posts am I to not take as a comparison, because in your first one you post a list of KIA's and killed Citizens in one war, and talk about Iraq then summerize with
More American civilians died in WWII than have died in the GWOT
I guess we can't all be as gifted as you in reading the clarity of your own posts? The very fact the first two, of three posts seem to take your post to mean there was merit in comparing bodycounts:
Vinnie has it right here...the MSM are just all way too stupid to know there US military history....like this one....during the 1944 Battle of the Bulge which started December 16th and lasted till after Christmas.....aprox a 3 week period....The American forces alone suffered 19,000 causulties.....19,000....in 3 weeks, thats right to all those leftist retard trolls who stop in here......and not even 2,000 yet in how long in Iraq????
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Because I am a prejudiced exJarhead I prefer Iwo Jima. We lost more than this in one day!
I guess they also missed your hallowed point too?
Posted by: dave at October 26, 2005 12:53 AM (CcXvt)
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IM it sounds like you want to fight a civil war HERE again. Kill all Americans who are all left of some point on the political spectrum that you pick ? lol Well that sounds not very ummmm reasonable. Communism is nor really much of a threat now is it ? Quite frankly I worry a lot more now a days about thieves in Washington stealing my money rather than the Red Chinese or Cubans. I have been around long enough to have seen both the republicans and the democrats swap clothes.As far as moonbats of either the extreme left or the ectreme right I kinds think they are funny. But I am an optimist and I DO have a lot of faith in my country.
Posted by: john Ryan at October 26, 2005 01:14 AM (ads7K)
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Hey ya'll. The Greyroosters back. Had a productive roadtrip. nough said. Patriots 2. Muslim huggers 0.
Problem was that last week when I returned to St. Louis, Mo. my chest felt funny. Like a pressure that didn't make sense. Went to Doctor for stress test. Flunked. Then to my doctor in Slidell, La. A short confersation with the St Louis Cardio. resulted in me in the operating room for a Quad by-pass. Sometimes life can be a bitch when you have a few bucks in the bank. Joking. Maybe! Medical science in America is tops. Damn I love this country. Up in 1 day, home in 5 days and mowing pastures on my Kybota in 6 days. Only in America.
Looking at Waveland, Bay St. Louis and Pass christian, and Bay St Louis Ms, just makes me sick. Ya'll have to understand that Pass Christian, Ms was one of my favorite places in the world. Gorgeous antibellun homes on the beach 100 years old. IT AIN'T THERE ANYMORE. Just concrete slabs with laundry, cars and boats in the few trees left. My home is gone. Along with all the things I have been saving for my children and grandchildren. How do you replace pictures of your parents and grandparents when they are no longer with this world.
Time to cowboy up. Told the wife I'm heading south come Friday to rebuild better than before. Never liked that house anyway. Damn thing faced the east and the morning sun was a pain. New one will face the south.
May all you patriots continue the fight. The rest may continue to kiss my ass. The greyrooster is fixing to get his second wind. The way I figure it took me 64 years to plug the arteries up. Give me another 20 years and I'll set things right. Stand tall, ya'll.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 26, 2005 01:22 AM (ywZa8)
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http://action.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/102405/
Posted by: Route Irish at October 26, 2005 02:30 AM (Eh9tH)
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Since you didn't bother to answer any of my questions, dave, I won't bother to respond. I am getting a laugh, however, out of your obtstinate insistence on telling me what I think.
Posted by: Vinnie at October 26, 2005 07:10 AM (Kr6/f)
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Vinnie:
Questions? I saw some sort of lame "You dishonor the Soldiers" rhetoric, the kind that some moonbat might come up with, followed by some sort of attack on my grasp of history, which as I had not posted any historical reference, or in fact mentioned history at all, you have no ability to judge -- nice try though.
It's not my fault you lack the ability to make a concise article that everyone else can understand, but don't let facts get in the way.
Posted by: dave at October 26, 2005 07:57 AM (CcXvt)
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Who made you the spokesman for everyone else? After the update, you're the only one bitching about it.
I will grant you that making those assumptions was the wrong thing to do, but it was late, and I was tired and more than a little annoyed.
Now, dave, we're through with this. Try to remember, in the future, dude,
it's just a blog.
Have a nice day!
Posted by: Vinnie at October 26, 2005 09:51 AM (Kr6/f)
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Vinnie,
Maybe we should give Dave a password and let him try this shit. Then we can shoot holes in em all day. Keep it up Vinnie, I got the post.
Dave if you blog post your URL once in a while.
Posted by: Howie at October 26, 2005 10:22 AM (xqi1g)
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Greyrooster,
Welcome back, and I am glad to find you in the best of health. My wife's family is from New Hebron, Ms. and I have spent several weeks of almost every summer at her grandmother's old houseplace. We would always go down to Biloxi and stay there, but with the gambling interests and all the traffic, we decided to stay in Bay St. Louis two years ago. I am sorry to here almost everything is gone. What a shame! Do you know if the Jefferson Davis home survived the hurricane? We always liked to go there to.
Missed you while you were gone, have had a fuss or two, nothing that couldn't be handled, but am old enough to appreciate all the help I can get. Ha!
Continue in good health and the best of luck in all your endeavors.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 26, 2005 10:29 AM (rUyw4)
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Hey rooster Hope it was not that trip to the resturaunt that did that. Glag you are better. The Jawa is enough to give anyone a clogged artery.
Posted by: Howie at October 26, 2005 11:07 AM (D3+20)
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Quothe John Ryan:
"IM it sounds like you want to fight a civil war HERE again."
Sure, why not. Every house needs a good cleaning now and then, and ours is full of vermin.
"Kill all Americans who are all left of some point on the political spectrum that you pick?"
Nah, just the ones who support our enemies. You can be as looney as you like, but once you start supporting our enemies, it's time for a hanging.
"lol Well that sounds not very ummmm reasonable."
Very little is accomplished by reasonable people.
"Communism is nor really much of a threat now is it?"
You're very naive, aren't you? Ever hear of North Korea and Red China and their nuclear arsenals?
"Quite frankly I worry a lot more now a days about thieves in Washington stealing my money rather than the Red Chinese or Cubans."
So you're only capable of recognizing one threat at a time?
"I have been around long enough to have seen both the republicans and the democrats swap clothes."
And you think that everything one party says is a lie, and the other is gospel, right? You sound like a Roosevelt socialist to me.
"As far as moonbats of either the extreme left or the ectreme right I kinds think they are funny. But I am an optimist and I DO have a lot of faith in my country."
I don't, because of people like you who want to pretend everything's okay. We're living in what could be the last days of Western civilization as we've known it, and people like you want to play political games. In case you haven't noticed, there is a global war against civilization being carried on by muslims from every country and all walks of life. They want nothing less than to destroy everything that we have built and to exterminate us, and fools like you only care about indicting Karl Rove.
Do you realize that fewer people now than ever before have any faith in our government? Do you realize that the government's ability to fight terroism is being hamstrung by the ACLU and other groups, whose long-stated goals have been to turn America into a Communist country? You poor, stupid simpletons don't even realize the threat we face, so you continue to behave like spoiled brats, crying about free health care and crap like that, while our soldiers are dying every day in the fight against the enemy. That's why liberals should all be shot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 11:12 AM (0yYS2)
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Howie:
I do not own a weblog.
Although if I did I wouldn't think my articles were beyond reproach, and nor should you. I enjoy reading all of the guest posters here, however if I disagree I will call you on it.
Sorry for the inconvenience
Posted by: dave at October 26, 2005 12:11 PM (CcXvt)
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Jesusland: My son in law tried to get to the coast between Biloxi and Gulfport but they had it blocked off to sightseers. Don't know how the Jeff Davis place fared. The Grand Casino is across the street from where is was. The President Casino is sitting on top of what's left of the Holiday Inn. Mother nature placed the Casinos where they should have been to begin with. All bridges at Bay St Louis are gone. Next week I plan to take my boat down the Pearl River to the gulf. Then I can run to Waveland, Pass Christian, Bay St Louis, Gulfport and Biloxi. I understand Waveland and Pass Christian aren't there anymore. I'll get a view from the water and take pictures.
My place is a mess. I got tired of my wife and daughters going thru the remains, so I hired a track hoe and dozer and had it all buried. Not a trace left of a 75 year old colonial. Had a crew cut up the downed trees and move them with dozers. What the storn didn't tear up the dozers did. Place looks like a war zone.
Oh well, Now's the time to do it right the first time.
Can't find a hotel or rent a house in 100 miles. Frankly I wish the storm chasers and Fema would go leave and let us work out our problems. At least we would have motels to stay in. Fema is giving away so much money no one will work. I bought a mobile home to live in until I can rebuild. They call it a manufactured house. I call it a trailer. Switching from Wild Turkey to beer. Trailer trash at last.
Scott said he would take emergency leave and come home. I said why? The farm looks like Iraq so might as well stay there.
I have a close friend in the construction business. He is paying unskilled laborers $250.00 per day working 7 days a week. Can't find any help. Fema is paying pickup owners $3.75 per mile to bring travel trailers down from Indiana. They say they need 120,000 at Baton Rouge staging area.
800 miles @$3.75 per mile is $3000.00 per day. One day up, one day back. $1500.00 per day for driving your pickup. Not bad.
One of my neighbors got a job as an inspector for Fema. After a trailer is set in place and hooked up he looks at it. Says he's making $3100.00 per week and they pay him $90.00 per day for using his old pickup.
I wish to say thanks to all you hard working people paying the bill for this.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 27, 2005 01:11 PM (M7kiy)
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I heard the Davis home survived with lots of damage and the contents were pretty much lost. Especially paintings and paper records. Lots of history lost bu thte old place was built you know then they built things right.
Posted by: Howie at October 27, 2005 01:17 PM (D3+20)
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Damn I ready to quit now amnd go make some bucks.
Posted by: Howie at October 27, 2005 01:45 PM (D3+20)
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greyrooster
glad to see your ok you have to take things easy and not get so excited lol
Posted by: Sparky at October 30, 2005 10:54 AM (F1nba)
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